TARJA TURUNEN: "Day Off in Augsburg"

02.10.2009

Former NIGHTWISH singer TARJA TURUNEN has issued the following tour update:

"We have been on the road two weeks already. Still many shows ahead and many new places to visit. I must say that I am really enjoining this tour very much.

Spain was a wonderful experience for all of us. We got to spend a great time in Barcelona the day before the show and relax under the Spanish sun.

I, of course, made some shoe shopping as well.

The amount of tourists was incredible in Barcelona as the city was having celebrations. Many bands playing in the streets. It was very cool with music everywhere.

My show went well and everybody got really excited about the reception of Spanish people. The venue has been recently renewed, beautiful and having great acoustics. The following night we travelled to Madrid.

I haven’t been performing in the capital Madrid in a very long time, so I was very thrilled by this opportunity.

It was only very sad that for security reasons, the responsible of the venue in Madrid, didn’t allow us to perform our acoustic set among the audience.

We were forced to play it from the stage as we have done earlier. There was nothing we could do about it; the decision was not in our hands. I hope the people in Madrid enjoyed my show anyway despite of this. Muchas gracias por “Olé, olé, olééé…” :)

After Spain the long travel to Pratteln was nicely interrupted by a beach break in France.

It didn’t take us too long to recharge our batteries, as there was something good to expect from Switzerland.

The venue Z7 was crowded again!!!!! And we were playing there just 3 months ago! I am so happy. The feeling of being on stage in front of such supporting audience made me very proud of us. We have gone a long road with this group of people already, but there are even better moments to come, I am sure. Thank you all for keeping the music alive, as I like to say.

Last time I was performing in Ludwigsburg Rockfabrik was in 1999. That makes 10 years!!! The time flies!

I was so excited to be back in there with my own show. The place was packed and the reception was amazing. It was fantastic to receive such a warm welcome from Ludwigsburg."

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Gosh, it is always nice to read about tour experience. Spain is a great place, I like it, so I'm glad she likes that too. Too bad restrictions in Madrid venue were so harsh :(
Also that is so nice to read only simple mention of some shopping activities, not a full report on everyday basis with brand titles. It is good when women do have brains in the head.

Ukfan wrote on 02.10.2009 at 09:21
I think you guys, are missing something here.
So, just for you - this is from DEB:

!Thursday, 1 October 2009
Exciting day

Today I had the best day ever...met very nice friends, Hanna and Linda, and I just love them;=) Hanna works at my favourite store for stage clothes, Cenino, and she is also a friend that I cherish and like to chit-chat to. Today I borrowed her one of my jackets, cause I really think she is wonderful;=)
Then when we were talking, I met a wonderful Darth Vader and of course I had to take a photo with him so send to my son;=) He loves Star Wars;=)
And today my dear Linda gave me a gift...oh, she is the most precious friend there is! I love you, dearest:=) Thanks so much!!
My hot stone massage was incredibly nice. I was totally soar when we started and had so much tensions that my head was pumping and ached. After the massage I was so dizzy and had the worst head ache so needed to go home and drink tea and water and then now tonight, I feel really good in the back. I loved it and will take the same massage next week too. I can recommend it for sure, super nice;=)
Today I had a white t-shirt from Golden Goose, a leather skirt from Day, boots Acne Pistols, Cardigan from Fifth Avenue shoe repair, belt from Rare and jacket from Gucci.
Posted by Anette Olzon at 19:23 24 comments "
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And yesterday it was even more funny, because she discussed her hormons and period... :-))
Enjoy!

mermaid wrote on 02.10.2009 at 09:46
It's really nice from her, that she says something about every show she did.
I have the feeling that she connects special happy memories to each of those shows.
No show seems to equal another show.
It's cool to know that she enjoyed Ludwigsburg as much as we did. :-D

Franziska wrote on 02.10.2009 at 14:08
Oh yeah Tarja is always sweet.

Ragnarok wrote on 02.10.2009 at 18:25
Tarjaholic as I am,I keep my fingers crossed that she's going to play among the audience here in Sofia ;P

Enkeli wrote on 02.10.2009 at 19:54
Tarja is huge in undeveloped countries. And you can quote me on that.

Wrathchild wrote on 02.10.2009 at 23:02
Mermaid, why don't you post another recipie or brain-wank regarding penis size of yours like you did on the forum instead of bringing up Anette in a Tarja news?

Finally you let us believe that you actually are addict to her blog!

OceanWithin wrote on 02.10.2009 at 23:47
OceanWithin. Go get em´!

Wrathchild wrote on 03.10.2009 at 01:04
Went to Madrid in 2007 and had beer spilled on me by someone. The best experience in Spain is in the small towns. In fact, I saw Tarja perform a special concert in the streets of Cangas de Onis, a small little town near the French border. Very fun, very intimate, and well done as well.

Jeremy wrote on 03.10.2009 at 03:19
Yeah please mermaid, don't quote Anette on Tarja's news anymore...that's unpleasant.

Moonchild wrote on 03.10.2009 at 06:08
...undeveloped countries...?

And so there are racist people among new Nightwish fans!
Why am I not surprised? Well because their maestro wrote something about "cultural differences" of course.
Maestro gives the bad example with his bad behavior and they follow him blindly.

BTW Wrathchild, where do you live?

ThePunisher wrote on 03.10.2009 at 07:28
Tarja rules, we all know that... XD
On her blog, this post had a picture of her running through the beach... HaHaHaHa!!! is was very cute and funny... I think she was running away from TuomAss... XD

Who? wrote on 03.10.2009 at 09:22
Ha-ha... Tarja's new DVD will be called "Made In Undeveloped countries and Various Other Places" XD

And Tuomas will writhe his new biographical book, called "Mein Dichtung"
and subtitle "Cultural differences in modern society"
Also he'll change band's name to NightKrieg ! m/
And last but not least, Anette will be replaced, by a trve aryan singer. :-P

DeadAndGone wrote on 03.10.2009 at 12:26
Underdeveloped countries!!!
That's a nice one wrathchild!!
You get more and more rude as the time goes by.. I pity you actually!!
But that's normal!!!Except what ThePunisher said I add: Princess insulted Brazil (Belo horizonte) and Greece... that gives you the finest example of what you should do in life. Go on!!! Tell everyone from underdeveloped countries - which are called developing instead- how retard they are for preferring Tarja over Anette (or they like both) because they are poor or their educational system lacks superiority because they don't live in your miserable overdeveloped and powerful country or have the same brain malfunction, close-mindness, and easyness in being brain-washed as you do ;) I'm not that offended by your words knowing you do it on purpose but your behaviour really is quite unacceptable.

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna wrote on 03.10.2009 at 12:52
Tarja -
Thanks a lot for your great performance at Rockfabrik/Ludwigsburg! Your such a charismatic and beautiful woman and your wonderful wonderful voice ... omg ... I'm so impressed. Highest level performance! Thanks especially for playing "Tired of being alone" and "Deep silent complete" (just before the beginning of the concert I mentioned that I would like these two, especially with the keys from Schiller ...). Please come back next year! I'm looking forward to hearing your new album and seeing you soon again! Love you! Keep the music alive!!!!

Daniela wrote on 03.10.2009 at 16:09
Since when Switzerland is an "undeveloped" country?Is it one of the most wealthy countries,with zero rates of terrorism and uneducated people.And with the highest income rates.

But i know since when it is undeveloped.Since people like wrathchild exist.
What you must understand is that he actually has no problem with Switzerland, headbanging or anything else.He just finds whatever Tarja does/says/plays and finds a weird way to twist it into something inappropriate or ugly.
I bet my life that he would say how much of a kick-ass country Switzerland or Spain is if Anette said it.

But wrathchild,find something more...true.The countries you mention as undeveloped are among the most wealthy in EU.

Undeveloped countries exist in Africa and America(south).

You see people.Anette fans found their example in life.what to follow.And now they do whatever she says/does.
But noooooooo,they are no puppets.

ps.DeadAndGone

As far as your friend wrathchild is bringing up Tarja and calling her a "bitch" and "parasite" in NW articles with no reason,mermaid can talk here about PMS Princess as far as she wants.

God,we should really use smaller and simpler words.Poor Anette's fans can't understand that much...

Legeon wrote on 03.10.2009 at 16:13
mermaid, yeah, Olzon's blog is funny and ridiculous, but post it in NW topics, it belongs there more :)

I didn't know that Switzerland or Spain are undeveloped countries, for examples. Do Swiss and Spanish people know that they live in undeveloped countries according to new nw fan?

Legeon ,do use more simple and short words, new nw fans doesn't have very good knowledge geography, economics and music and etc. as it seems :) They have one-track mind :)

Peter wrote on 03.10.2009 at 20:17
My friend...? I've no idea what you're talkin' about. O_o

And maybe you should use "smaller" and "simpler" words, for your own good. ;-)

DeadAndGone wrote on 04.10.2009 at 09:58
Legeon. It´s funny you mentioned "mermaid" and PMS Princess in the same sentence.

Wrathchild wrote on 04.10.2009 at 11:45
DeadAndGone, I think you know, you just can't say anything here. Typical for new nw fan. Using longer words is not that scary, do not be afraid to read. :)

What does PMS Princess means? I hope you do not mean that Olzon wrote already about her having PMS, didn't she?

Peter wrote on 04.10.2009 at 12:37
mermaid, do post her blog in NW news, cause her retarded blog entries are related to NW, since she is the current "voice" of the band.

$am wrote on 04.10.2009 at 13:23
@Peter

Yes,she did exactly that.

Yey!!!

Legeon wrote on 04.10.2009 at 13:36
What exactly do you expect me to say?
He's talking about some "friend" of mine, which is silly, as I am yet to see (more like read) anyone different, than borderline retards. Let alone friend...

I'm not afraid to read, but most users here are afraid to think. ;-P
And they are also afraid of Anette. Desperately trying to assign their own mental, and physical issues to her. Way to be pathetic.

DeadAndGone wrote on 04.10.2009 at 14:35
"I'm not afraid to read, but most users here are afraid to think. ;-P "

The good thing that most of users do think here, so that's why they are not blind NW followers and MFF is not NW fan site.:)
They are not afraid of Olzon, she is not that scary...yet, but they do not like her for many reasons-for reasons NW themselves established willingly some years ago. The irony.

I do not expect you to say anything actually, cause it is predictable.As any cult follower's.

Legeon, so she writes already about her PMS?! Hilarious!

Peter wrote on 04.10.2009 at 15:40
@DeadAndGone

"mental and physical issues to her"

Actually she is the one to inform the whole world about her issues,remember?Her phobias,her psychological issues,her PMS,her tooth.And i'm sure diarrhea is next to follow.

I don't accuse her of my insects phobia,as she did with her own mental issues.
Remember that SHE assigned her own collapse to other people.
But,we are the ones to do that?

Legeon wrote on 04.10.2009 at 16:00
@DeadAndGone

"but most users here are afraid to think."

Said the person who calls professional interviewers and journalists "dumbf***s with wild imagination" for not liking Anette's yeeeiiiiiaaaa and how NW kill their own songs now.

"And they are also afraid of Anette."

Yes we are.Especially of her photos from concerts like in moscow and her own showing her new granny glasses.

My greatest fear will come true the day i'll see her with her underwear.
Or that day has already arrived,after seeing her without it:

http://progsheet1.hypermart.net/nw135.jpg

Legeon wrote on 04.10.2009 at 16:24
Cult follower..?Err, ok let's see:
You're dissing her everywhere, even when there's no obvious reason, you're frequently reading her blog and re-posting it here, which is totally ridiculous btw. Ahm, what else...oh yeah, you're obsessed with her underwear, mental state, pictures and overall her EVERY word. And all that, just for the sake of bashing her.
So, if I am "cult follower" , then what the hell are you kids? O_o

Human's nature is to discuss fears and phobias. Judging by the amount of crap, written against her, among this pages - you're absolutely terrified. Terrified that she might succeed...or other people might like her, and appreciate what she's doing. Instead of bitching over every detail, like yourself.
Or the senseless insults towards the band....another sign of fear. Well, here's how it is - they have a big enough fan base, with or without you, so please get over it. (and deal with your own, unexisting social life, for a change)

To end this post, on a positive note (especially for Anette's haters), in a recent interview Tuomas said that, during the break time (now) they will re-think, who's gonna stay in the band, and who's not. So maybe, they'll get rid of your "beloved" singer. XD But I'm sure you'll follow her solo carrer, and enjoy spitting bullshits on it. XD
Wait, wait here's the best part: This interview is given for the greek Metalhammer magazine. YES, that's right ! Your favourite pro-journalists (along with the "worldwide" press) :-P m/

Awesome isn't it !? XD

DeadAndGone wrote on 04.10.2009 at 17:39
Yes, Peter, she did. I quoted that part in NW news, but since you, guys, do not come there, this is, Peter, for you:

"Then I bought some nice teas and pills in the health store to help me survive my bad PMS every month...grrr...I hate the hormones!"

see: http://anette-olzon.blogspot.com/2009/09/back-home.html

mermaid wrote on 05.10.2009 at 11:19
Legeon,

by the look of it Oceanwithin is really interested in our little gossiping on forum... hm, how sweet.
:-P

mermaid wrote on 05.10.2009 at 12:32
Wrathchild said:
"Legeon. It´s funny you mentioned "mermaid" and PMS Princess in the same sentence."
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No, it is not. Because I posted TWICE the famous quotes from DEB related to Princess PMS to NW news.
So, I earned the thank-you-very-much comments from guys for doing so. Seer even mentioned on forum that I made him his day with this. :-))))

mermaid wrote on 05.10.2009 at 12:37
DeadAndGone,

you are reffering to that old Greek Metla Hammer interview I quoted here so many times.... and you called it "recent"??

And. You have got this one wrong. I certainly do not want Princess to leave NW - I think I explained my position on this matter few months ago..
what FUN we will have without her???

So. Let us pray for Princess stay - the best God´s punishment for NW, is not she?

mermaid wrote on 05.10.2009 at 12:53
As you can see people,NW and PMS Anette fans find it more necessary and important to pseudo-psychoanalyze us and professional journalists all over the world,than to actually defend their beloved Princess with some real arguments.

To NW fans,someone said this before,i'll say it too:

WE DON"T CARE what you may think we are,and it certainly doesn't matter if we are obsessed to death(like some here think),if we pinch voodoo dolls of Anette or if we have installed altars in our home to worship Tarja.

What matters if we have valid points.
Something that you actually accept,since you spend your time psychoanalyzing us instead of explaining why we are wrong(no,mocking composers like Nyman for not giving permission isn't an argument to defend Tuomas).

The fact that we may be obsessed lunatics doesn't erase the fact that some of the things we say are based on facts and not blind following,like all of you.

Legeon wrote on 05.10.2009 at 12:54
Guys, if Switzerland is undeveloped country, who IS the DEVELOPED one?

Could you, please, tell me?

mermaid wrote on 05.10.2009 at 12:55
@mermaid

Wrathchild doesn't believe for real that Switzerland or Spain are undeveloped countries.

He just says it becuase Tarja played there.Of course he forgot to say that NW also played there last year :D

He would say his own country is undeveloped if Tarja played there too.

I suggest you to take a look in Tarja's last article.Wrathchild was smart enough to:
1)Accuse tarja for stalking internet users and making them watch her videos.
2)Say that Anette is a real metal singer.
3)Say that she will make a hit album.

ps.He is from USA.I rest my case.

Legeon wrote on 05.10.2009 at 13:12
Now people,i'll post this,just in case.

Official list of Undeveloped countries:

Afghanistan
Algeria
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei Darussalam
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Costa Rica
Côte d'Ivoire
Croatia
Cuba
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
East Timor
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Ghana
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Lithuania
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Moldova
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Qatar
Republic of Macedonia
Republic of the Congo
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
São Tomé and Príncipe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Syria
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

As you can see,no Switzerland, no Spain.

Definition:

a country with a low standard of industrialization and low level of well being. Many undeveloped countries also have low standards of democratic governments, industrialization, social programs, and a poor human rights record.

Yeah,the definition of Switzerland.

Legeon wrote on 05.10.2009 at 14:18
Legeon,

be serious, please.
USA? Look what they have done to their currency...!?
Look what they have done to financial world. AGAIN.
Look what they have done with RE-invaded Iraqui..!

And I do not even remember the name of the previous one country they invaded when they needed an oil.

Not to mention their kidnapping people world wide and transffering them to USA for torturing (remember that scandal when Germany admited they knew about this because they alowed US to land in Germany with kidnapped people on their way home ??)

If USA are a DEVELOPED country I am very proud that my country is NOT. :-P

mermaid wrote on 05.10.2009 at 14:36
@mermaid

1)i didn't say that USA is a developed country.I said it to justify his stupidity and close-mindness.
It's well-known that USA people think that only their country matters.I have met USA people(i don't use the term "Americans",i don't want to insult Canadians or Argentineans by generalizing them with USA) not even knowing what the hell Europe is.
When they don't know a country,it HAS to be a Third World country.
Which leads them to the conclusion that the whole planet is undeveloped excelt USA.

Sorry James,but it's the truth.And i know you'll agree with me on that.

ps.What i say is based on personal experience,not stereotypes.
The first time i went to USA,a policeman asked me to give him my identification card and passport.He took a look at it and said "What is this???"

note:Greek identification cards and passports have all the info in Greek AND English.
So i had to explain him what Greece and Europe actually is.
It took me about an hour.

Legeon wrote on 05.10.2009 at 15:59
@mermaid

2)By official standards,USA is a developed country.

Legeon wrote on 05.10.2009 at 16:00
Peter,

and only for you I copied the comment part of PMS article, where Princess talked to her admirers as follows:

"dementiadaily said...
Uh... It's kinda nice to keep us updated about what you do, but... Don't you think this PMS thing was a bit TOO much information?
Well anyway, sounds like you had a relaxing day.

30 September 2009 20:39

Mery said...
I forgot to ask you.. What kind of tea do you drink during the pms?? I usually just take a pill or something, but I also have some really bad headaches and I was wondering if some tea could help with that...

And Dont worry about what somebody said about being too much information.. I think you're only human.. a FEMALE human... and pms, period and stuff are just natural for us ;)

hugs

30 September 2009 21:30

Anette Olzon said...
Mery: Hihi, no I dont care if someone feel PMS is intimate, I dont. PMS is something so many have and it is something very disturbing for me. I drink one tea with dandelion leaves and then a tea called Detox from Yogi teas. I also bought some pills that are especially for PMS called Femal Balans. Hugs=)
30 September 2009 22:09 "
_______________________________
And for that matter I would like to mention that I am a MALE, so I have NO idea what this is all about.
:-P

mermaid wrote on 05.10.2009 at 16:06
Legeon said,

"2)By official standards,USA is a developed country."
_______________________
Well, I just said, what I said. I really pray we will never develop THAT MUCH and in such a WRONG DIRECTION.

mermaid wrote on 05.10.2009 at 16:09
Hm, United Arab Emirates is undeveloped country? Doesn't seem to be true.

"no I dont care if someone feel PMS is intimate, I dont. PMS is something so many have and it is something very disturbing for me. "

She is so "smart".To poo is also something many people do and for someone it can be very disturbing at times. Will she write about that as well, in details?

Irene wrote on 06.10.2009 at 16:42
Anette is god's punishment for NW, huh? O_o
So, touring the world and selling albums, is their fate...? Ok, I'd love to be "punished" like this :-P

Plus, what I wrote, was not an attempt of psychoanalysis. I was just defending myself, against the "cult follower" mark.
If you can't face your own retarded behaviour, revealed in a few simple words, it's none of my concern.

And what's with the list,
Russia and China UNDEVELOPED!? O_o
Low level of well being, maybe. But low level industrialization! Countries with nuclear power(understad weapons, not electrical centrals), who spend most of their budget, on military purposes!? In the same list, as Afghanistan ,Jamaica etc. ?
You honestly don't know what's Russia's main export, and which government stands behind China, do you?

Pubescent online philosophers, how cute. XD

DeadAndGone wrote on 06.10.2009 at 17:33
Legeon. You forgot Bulgaria. One of Europes poorest contries. Didn´t someone write that she sold a 5000 seater there? I didn´t meen Swiss is undeveloped. I said " she´s big in undeveloped countries" There´s a difference.

Wrathchild wrote on 06.10.2009 at 19:20
@OceanWithin

How more stupid can you become?

This list is an official list.
I didn't add or remove anything.

Also,the standards which organizations use to categorize a country don't have to be there in all countries.
If a country has a high level of industrialization,but not democratic political system,then it's an undeveloped country.For China.
For Russia,they have a democratic system,they have industries,but the population's income rate per person is extremely low.

You prove me true once more.I HAVE to use smaller words for you.

Legeon wrote on 06.10.2009 at 20:44
"Russia and China UNDEVELOPED!? O_o
Low level of well being, maybe. But low level industrialization! Countries with nuclear power(understad weapons, not electrical centrals), who spend most of their budget, on military purposes!?
You honestly don't know what's Russia's main export"

Well, since you are right and Russia is not undeveloped, when it wil be helpful for you to know that last NW concert there got many bad reviews , many people were leaving in the middle of the concert and the show was not sold out at all though NW were not there 6 years. In fact I know quote from one of the reviews on metal/rock portal from there - it says that the band with new singer and due to her now looks like "knockabout comedy-loony bin at-tour". So true:)

Poorest EU countries are: Estonia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia.
Not Bulgaria :)

Olga wrote on 06.10.2009 at 21:48
"Anette is god's punishment for NW, huh? O_o "

She is more like a joke or a mockery ;)

Billy wrote on 06.10.2009 at 21:49
If you didn't notice there is mostly only one person who posts her blog here - Mermaid. Others just comment on what is posted by Miss Mermaid. Besides MFF staff posted her blog entries on this site.
And it is HER who is obsessed with herself, her clothes, her problems, her pictures and she talks and posts about it all the time openly, it is like the shower, the mania. Of course people would discuss it, specially that once NW singer's personal life and personality was made the main discussion point by the band itself. So it goes for the second one as well.

People are not terrified or scared, they are mostly shocked with "poor quality" which she turned out to present as performer and person, especially so soon, in just two years, especially after the known events. And they naturally do not like it.

And if you call that edition of Greek Metalhammer magazine the "recent" one, althoug it is dated like March 2009, then it is clear you do not orientate completely in the subject at any rate :)

Peter wrote on 06.10.2009 at 22:17
@Peter

Very good comment.
I still can't understand why OceanWithin thinks that we are afraid of Anette.What should we be afraid of?

Why should we be afraid of her "success"?I actually liked her in DPP,when it came out.The problem started after seeing her live and reading way too much info about her personal life,posted by her!

It's ridiculous when you think that she posts every day about her life,clothes she shops,underwear she wants to wear,pics of her and her house,but at the same time if someone asks her who's her boyfriend she says: "I am a singer,i have a personal life which i want to keep personal".

example:she doesn't wants pics of her son to be revealed on the net but she took a pic of his legs to show his new pants she bought for him!

To return to the point:
Nothing can scare me now,after seeing all this.I have nothing to fear about NW,after seeing that person destroying NW day by day,doing far worse things that Tarja was accused of and much sooner but still no fan notices it!

ps.It's obvious that NW would fire her,if they thought only about music and quality of music.
But since they started to think about money,fame and noise,they know it's not good to fire a person that makes so many people and magazines talk about them.

Legeon wrote on 06.10.2009 at 23:22
What i find particularly amusing, is how some users here address this guy/girl "OceanWithin" ,with hateful comments, while he/she haven't posted anything since 5 days, and have nothing to do with the current discussion.

Someone got confused... XD

Btw, they(NW), always have to think, about money. It's their job after all, not a hobby. And they achieved fame and success, before DPP.
So what exactly is the "point", that you're trying to "return" to? :-P

And yes please, go for the "smaller" and "simpler" words. They suit you much better.

DeadAndGone wrote on 07.10.2009 at 01:06
OMG!!! What's happening here?

There was already a civil war between new NW fans and old NW ones generated by we all know who and now it seems the third world war has begun!

Wratchild are you satisfied?

You didn't answer me. I didn't want to know where do you live in order to insult your country, it was just curiosity. So you are from USA, that's why you stressed us on another Tarja thread about her wrong english accent and pronunciation!

But maybe now we must consider that Xmas is near, we should be more good etc. etc., NW also released a special box for that, in short it's time to make peace. Tuomas himself said in an interview that he'd like to make peace with Tarja. Well, actually he only said he would offer her a coffee if he met her, but I think that this can be interpreted as a gesture of peace. The only thing that seemed a little strange is that
in the same interview he also said he didn't regret for what we all know.

This is why I've thought it would be a good idea if you gave me your address so I could send you this Xmas gift

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2384185450105673046bXxNJW

as my personal gesture of peace. ;)

ThePunisher wrote on 07.10.2009 at 08:50
Yes, Peter, I copy Princess statement and I know why I do that .... Legeon used to comment on what she did read on her blog, but when she did that, she was accused of being a "hater".
I copy Princess´ words... and by doing so, I can not be hater, could I? I could be admirer as well.. :-))
And I like that because then people here must face her own words. And it is quite difficult sometimes, is not it?
Princess fans use to ask me to let her be and respect her privacy... now, how could they do that, if she has a need to discuss her PMS so openly?
When you day by day should see her shoppings.... is a word "humble" still on your mind?? Princess is a best possible weapon against Princess.
I do not need coment on that... I do not need to search for witty or smart words.
I just copy Princess words. It is her fans now, who MUST search words and arguments.

In fact, life in demolition crew has become quite boring since all the work is done by NW.

And yes, Princess is a best God´s punishment, because unlike you, (now, who was that? Wrathchild or OceanWithin?)
unlike you, Maestro does not look like he wants to be a JOKE. Maestro looks like a person who takes himself more then seriously. So, this person did a joke from him, yet, how he could fire her after all what happened...?

Well, and you envy them that they earn money and negative reviews all world round? Every good bunch of clowns deserves to earn the same money, IMO.
BUT. Do you really think that this was what Maestro longed for? To be a head clown?

mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 09:53
I am still not getting the point of these undeveloped coutries.. Legeon.

We all know that USA is less democratic then China, because China is at least NOT kidnapping people world wide for torturing. (And what was the last country China invaded? I do not remember... do you?)

They (USA), after all, know how they changed their laws and how they fast did get rid of the democratic principles because all scared of terorists...
And we also did read how fast China did get rid of US dollars...
wake up, people! WHO would want voluntarily left our own countries and live - voluntarily - in USA????

NOT for a 100.000.000.,- US dollars.... ups, sorry. Not for a 100.000.000,- Euros.

mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 10:03
Olga said:

"Poorest EU countries are: Estonia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia.
Not Bulgaria :) "
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well, some Polish I know, might dissagree on this matter... yet, the fact is that their "zloty" had a bad exchange rate to Euro lately... on the other hand Poland did profit on that because people from eurozone were and still are coming to spend their Euros in Poland..
But are we not missing Romania in this list?

mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 10:23
dedicated to Wrathchild ... and other Americans here.
For the rest of you - this is a map of American world.

http://www.tallrite.com/weblog/blogimages/refs2006/AmericanWorld.gif

MFF Staff: You really are not here to make more friends right?

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 10:36
"Btw, they(NW), always have to think, about money. It's their job after all, not a hobby. And they achieved fame and success before DPP"

It is funny, cause it were NW members who made such a tragedy and drama in the past about someone's thinking about money, they even posed that as an awful greediness. Not just any drama, accusations and even a song about it with word "greed" in it - they made so much fuss as if they were saints doing charity for free. But when it comes to them it is suddenly perfectly ok for them to think and talk about money! LOL

Legeon, lots of people know that her boyfriend is from Pain, it was already mentioned on MFF several times before, so actually her not answering to this question is very funny, cause it is not longer such a huge secret :)

ThePunisher, that gift is lovely :)

Eva wrote on 07.10.2009 at 10:56
@DeadAndGone

you are right,i wanted to answer to you and instead i put "oceanwithin".

Got confused by the stupidity you two seem to share.

Legeon wrote on 07.10.2009 at 11:10
@ThePunisher

I find it very weird that Tuomas said he would like to make peace with Tarja...
I knew that you make peace with someone if you are in a war with him/her.But Tarja isn't in a war,she doesn't post bad things and she always wishes them the best.

The only wars exist in Tuomas' mind,thinking that Tarja was sooooo hurt that they fired her(actually the firing part was the part that made Tarja happy,she wanted to leave after all,the part that hurt her was the denigration) and between fans.

Legeon wrote on 07.10.2009 at 11:14
'Russia,they have a democratic system'

Russia democratic country??!! in your dream Legeon. In democratic country does not kill journalists who speak the truth and defenders of human rights. As to the countries bordering with the Baltic Sea (?) I would say rather developing than undeveloped. Poland only has still positive GDP.

Isabell wrote on 07.10.2009 at 11:28
@mermaid

"WHO would want voluntarily left our own countries and live - voluntarily - in USA????"

The ones that have actually lived there.Sorry to say this to you,but i've spoken to many people that lived there and now want to live there for the rest of their lives.

The problem with USA is that everything is on the edge.
People are really poor or wealthy...Places are very ugly or very beautiful.

So,i don't blame anyone saying that he lived in Florida and loved it,but i also don't blame anyone saying that he lived/lives in Harlem(for example) and says that he hates it.

Legeon wrote on 07.10.2009 at 12:19
Tero said:

"You really are not here to make more friends right? "
_____________________________
Tero,

I am neither american nor the autor of that map. There are hundreds of these maps. Just search on Google and ask for American maps of world... :-)))

We had tow of them in CanuckFan thread - and yesterday CanuckFan explained us, why is Canada marked there as "mouseheads".

But if I am here to "make friends" ... how come that I am a part of demolition crew...?
Is not that a bit contraproductive thing to do?

MFF Staff: I do agree with you. Well in any case I accepted your post simply because there are tons of maps like that around.

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 12:52
"The ones that have actually lived there"

Legeon,

how could somebody leave his/her country if he/she lives in Florida already????
It has the same logic as if you ask person who already is SEATED to be seated.

Now, thanks to that person with comment on Polish GDP... looked starnge to me, that they would be doing so poor... after all, what I typed about Euros going to Poland is true. Still. The same is valid for Czechs. their Koruna did fall a lot last year... but Eurozone comes to shop there.

Should be helping with employement rate in this difficult times.

mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 12:58
@mermaid

That's why i said "lived".Past Simple.

I am talking about students,for example.People that have lived there for some years,returned to their countries and want to go back to Florida and live there.

Legeon wrote on 07.10.2009 at 13:02
Isabell said:

"As to the countries bordering with the Baltic Sea (?) I would say rather developing than undeveloped."
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You mean Sweden, Finland, Danmark and those guys, Isabell?

I have no idea how it is.

What do you think, Tero?

Is Finland developing? Or developed already?

the only thing I know about that is that Finland is extremely low inflation rate.... :-P

MFF Staff: Well at least when it comes to Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway I'd say we are not definately undeveloped.

Tero
MFF

Mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 13:22
Tero said:

"MFF Staff: Well at least when it comes to Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway I'd say we are not definately undeveloped. "
__________________________________

Well, I thought so. Feels good NOT to be SO developed (while in completely wrong direction) as some other BIG country, does not it???

mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 13:35
Yes Mermaid, but more about Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia coz i think we all know about life standards in those that you mentioned.

Isabell wrote on 07.10.2009 at 16:47
Isabell said:

"Yes Mermaid, but more about Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia coz i think we all know about life standards in those that you mentioned."
_________________________________
Isabell, you DO KNOW something about life in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia???

That is interesting.... could you, please, come to Forum (try Silver waters) and tell us??

I have never been there ... and I have no idea how do they live, because I know nobody from there...
That would be interesting, indeed.

mermaid wrote on 07.10.2009 at 17:24
@mermaid

Sorry i do not know anything about life in those countries, i don't come from any of them but I am sure you can find something on the internet with no problem if you are really interested.

Isabell wrote on 08.10.2009 at 12:13
DeadAndGone said: "Terrified that she might succeed...or other people might like her, and appreciate what she's doing."

Now I AM indeed terrified. :-/

"Or the senseless insults towards the band....another sign of fear. Well, here's how it is - they have a big enough fan base"

And also big hatedom base, probably the biggest in the history of music (compared to the fanbase). They should be remembered for such achievement. ;-)

mermaid said: "Seer even mentioned on forum that I made him his day with this. :-))))"

Yes she did. I don't read PMS Princess' blog and I like when mermaid posts something interesting from it. :-)

ThePunisher said: " The only thing that seemed a little strange is that in the same interview he also said he didn't regret for what we all know."

Nice to hear that from our Maestro. Hopefully he will reassure some people who started doubting NOT everything in his open letter was true. :-p Yet he would still buy the evil diva a coffee. After everything SHE did to HIM. How good and noble man he is!

TheSeer wrote on 08.10.2009 at 17:11
Isabell said:

"Sorry i do not know anything about life in those countries, i don't come from any of them but I am sure you can find something on the internet with no problem if you are really interested."
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Yes, Isabell, you can. You can also find a lot of bullshit on internet. If I would believe that american map, I will believe that there live some spaghetti eaters.. :-)

But because I am really interested I would preffer to speak with somebody who actually LIVES there.

mermaid wrote on 09.10.2009 at 11:08
I don't think NW members made, any kind of tragedy or drama. It's the fans, and media, who did.

DeadAndGone wrote on 09.10.2009 at 11:32
@DeadAndGone

Yes,of course it's the media who did it.
But where did NW gave the letter to?Publicity of course.Honestly believing that they had no intention to create all this noise,is pretty naive.They WANTED this noise,otherwise they would just post an announcement of firing Tarja because of unsolved problems and that's it.
Remember that it's not the media or the fans that said such things in the letter,and it's not the media or fans' fault that NW kept saying bad things for her for another 3 years.

Legeon wrote on 09.10.2009 at 12:36
mermaid just search some business sides they won't lie so you will know smth about the current state of their economy and life standarts (more or less) unless you want to know something about, i don't know... for example: it is nice to live in Lithuania, but it's very subjective opinion.
And of course the internet is a place where is lot of bullshit but God gave you brain to use it, also when you surf on the internet.

Isabell wrote on 09.10.2009 at 18:09
DeadAndGone: Well, didn't he say already that he originally wanted to make Nightwish a br00tal anti-Christian black metal band but then that greedy wannabe opera diva came and forced him to write cheesy songs about love and fantasy and fairy-tales and Disney with lots of Christian allusions ... ;-)

As for a trve Aryan singer, Anna Netrebko perhaps? After all, her grandfather was a gypsy (therefore, Aryan in the proper sense!), she is a shoe addict (she has 100 pairs of shoes), just like Tarja ... :-D

You know, in a recent interview with a Greek magazine even the interviewer mentioned to Tarja how the DPP got bad reviews in the world wide press ... gasp!

Almagest wrote on 10.10.2009 at 22:42
Perkele, I missed a word again: Of course, I meant to say, the DPP TOUR.

Almagest wrote on 10.10.2009 at 22:45
Isabell, about Russia, sorry but those journalists who were "speaking the truth and defenders of human rights" often turned out to be financed from US or some other Western countries's funds and tried to provoke national discord in Russia with their "publications", in fact they spitted on truth and on human rights a lot themselves. ;) I studied that issue cause I thought it to be very interesting, it seems US try to use such cases in other countries as political propaganda.

Lotte wrote on 11.10.2009 at 18:23
@ Lotte

Even if they are financed from US or some other Western countries' funds it doesn't matter coz funds are to help people, in Russia if you have no money you are no one. They need money to publish their own (free) newspapers for example. No one will help them if they don't think like their government. What about Anna Politkowska called "conscience of Russian journalism". Moreover, Russia sees spies everywhere and ordinary
Russians still think that they are the richest country. people are starving in Europe and in USA lives Satan.

Isabell wrote on 11.10.2009 at 20:48
Isabell, sorry but you are very wrong, people who do not have tons of money still live their lives there and they are "not no ones" . Those "honest journalists" publish a lot their stuff in Internet on their sites, blogs, in newspapers as well, there are also radio stations in Russia which give critics about government or different opinions on different events quite openly. There is opposition party, who doesn't always support government.
And those funds are not meant to help people in this case, just to loosen the situation there, it doesn't give any good.
Anna Politkowska is called like that a lot by pro-western media, (btw, she was born in NY, had American citizenship) and she tried to make up a lot of facts or ignored them or cause national discord by her publications.
Russia sees spies no more that US sees them :)
And no, Russians do not think that they are the richest country or Europe is starving or Satan lives in US. Where did you get those stereotypes I can't imagine, but I hope now you'll know better.
But the one thing is that they along with China do not allow to be treated by US like some kind of bedding. :)

What about Anna Politkowska called "conscience of Russian journalism". Moreover, Russia sees spies everywhere and ordinary
Russians still think that they are the richest country. people are starving in Europe and in USA lives Satan.

Lotte wrote on 11.10.2009 at 22:04
Isabell, really, you do not have real vision about Russia, it is like you use some pattern from media or movies. I agree with Lotte cause I've studied and lived in Russia for couple of years, and so do not use stereotypes ok, it is not good. Newspapers criticize governement there and citizens also can do it as much as they like , and they do when they feel to, I know it.
What country are you from Isabell?

Michael wrote on 11.10.2009 at 22:22
The question is how such country as USA can be called real democracy- specially since we all know how they get the American land in the first place, the current American nation never was and is not even native nation, it were Indians who live on that territory, it was their land, and those frontierman just killed most Indians and took their land (NW has song about it,you know), they treated them like animals and now when it is comfortable for them they start their crap about "human rights" and "democracy".

Anti American Dream wrote on 11.10.2009 at 23:47
Anti American Dream said: "The question is how such country as USA can be called real democracy- specially since we all know how they get the American land in the first place, the current American nation never was and is not even native nation, it were Indians who live on that territory, it was their land, and those frontierman just killed most Indians and took their land (NW has song about it,you know), they treated them like animals and now when it is comfortable for them they start their crap about "human rights" and "democracy". "

Americans get their land the same way Russians got Siberia. It were "Siberian Indians" and Mongols (Buryats) who lived on that teritory, it was their land, and those frontierman just killed most of them and took their land (NW doesn't have a song about it), they treated them like animals and now they object something to Americans.

However, it was 500 years ago both in America and in Siberia and it DOES NOT MATTER ANYMORE. What matters is current situation! Being gay, I have no nice words for Russia - prosecuting and arresting gay people, banning our gatherings, many prominent state officials calling us "satanists, abominations, terorists...". Moreover, banning all opposition rallies, arresting opposition leaders, killing journalists. Moreover, the country is full of neo-nazis who kill more than 100 foreigners each year. And about America, I'll just say that EVERYTHING what is written in todays UN conventions started in that country - racial rights, women rights, gay rights...

My 2 cents on the matter.

TheSeer wrote on 12.10.2009 at 03:30
The Seer, Americans took all their land, all, the whole country not just some region!
And about Seberia -see the history better, Mongols were not natives there: "Siberia was occupied by differing groups of nomads such as the Yenets, the Nenets, the Huns, the Iranian Scythians, and the Turkic Uyghurs. The Khan of Sibir in the vicinity of modern Tobolsk was known as a prominent figure who endorsed Kubrat as Khagan in Avaria in 630. The area was conquered by the Mongols early in the 13th century. With the break up of the Golden Horde, the autonomous Siberia Khanate was established in late 14th century.The growing power of Russia to the west began to undermine the Siberian Khanate in the 16th century. "

So you are gay? Good for you. But let me tell you that all that gay subject has never been in Russian religion or traditions, it is totally against them. So why should Russians go against their religion, their church, their traditions just to be like somebody else ? There are gay clubs in Russia, gay sites in Russia, gay movies like this Hunchback Mountain are shown in cinemas or on TV. There isn't any persecution, cause as I know that current Russian Criminal Code doesn't have liability for being gay! So do not try to pretend that gays are such vicitims there.

And there are opposition party rallies going a lot with people openly saying things against government, not all of them are banned, and their leader is not arrested, in fact last week as my Russian collegue told me when I asked him about that, there were TV programmes where for example this opposition party leader gave interview along with journalist and they gave very critical remarks about government or just opposition members from another party said critical things. There are several opposition parties in Russia by the way .
Estonia is already almost an official neo-nazi country, they openly hail Hitler and put monuments in honour to SS-men there, government indulges that! And Estonia is in EU! Some European counrty.
And in Russia hailing Hitler or SS-men is a crime, it is not supported by government!
And it wasn't USA who started all these "rights", UK was first!

So The Seer, I've done researches about Russia, spent my time there, even tried to learn Russian a bit, and honsetly I'm ashamed that some Eurpoeans or Americans are still so blind and are lead by propoganda or whatever. I'm not Slavonian even, not Russian.

Michael wrote on 12.10.2009 at 11:10
Lol, Americans are the main democrats now? In their brainwashed dreams, such hypocricy which comes from USA is huge, and they make such a pose that they know better and think that they can tell other countries and nations what to do. If they try to be the damn best ideal democracy ever why do they use tortures? Or death penalty? Lol, but they say that for Europe having death penalty is wrong!
But now it is rather a grim situation for them cause they failed to create unipolar world of their own though they tried!

mermaid, this map is super!

Mother Europe wrote on 12.10.2009 at 12:18
Michael said: " But let me tell you that all that gay subject has never been in Russian religion or traditions, it is totally against them. So why should Russians go against their religion, their church, their traditions just to be like somebody else ?"

Well slavery was also a part of American tradition and they DID go agains it. Against their tradition. And not in order to be like somebody else but because they realised it was wrong. In progressive societies changes come from inside. Through argumented discussion between the people. But you need to have freedom of speech and rallying for that. And not to fear for your life if you publicly say that something, although part of tradition, is wrong.

TheSeer wrote on 12.10.2009 at 12:22
@ TheSeer

+1

"And in Russia hailing Hitler or SS-men is a crime"
Well Hitler was German, but they have their own "Hitler" -> Lenin, Stalin who they blesed and it's not a crime.
"Freedom of press in Russia is considered amongst the worst in the world by press freedom organization Reporters Without Borders and is ranked 141st in the world for press freedom in their annual survey.' You can't know what exactly happens there coz they deny entry to international journalists or are deported from Russia or ask to many uncomfortable questions if smth important is going on.
I've checked some leading political parties in Russia and non of them is democratic. Russia dreams its great dream of the days when bordered with Germany. and uses gas, oil and military potential to put pressure on other countries. The End.

Isabell wrote on 12.10.2009 at 12:44
Thanks, mother Europe,

but as I explained to Tero, I am not an author.
As for human rights - if USA were the origin, why did they have a civil war about that?

Or am I remembering my history lesson right and the North part of country was under UK influence
while the South part of coutry was influenced by Spain?

i am not going into details, I believe ANYBODY here had some history at shool.

Well, Isabell, based on your name you are spanish, or latino...

interesting to see how do you know anything...

I am not that lucky. But I had some history lessons as well, and I remember that when USSR was created, the Baltic countries you mentioned were the MOST DEVELOPED ones.

But I lived in Azerbajdzan and I know something about Russia... and that is why I am so fascinated by your unwavering certainty.

Actually, I am not afraid to visit Iran or Iraqui (though, I am still waiting for an opportune moment, e.i. when americans will finally stop to camp there!)

but I will never ever go to USA, thank you very much. We all know about their habit to kidnap people worldwide for torturing, do not we?

I am not saying that China is extremely democratic, but I have never heard of THEM doing that..
OR about China INVADING other coutries... DID YOU?? Go ahead, prove me wrong, tell me which country did chinese invade last time... because I do not remember.

I am due to China next spring and I am looking forward to it. :-)))

But off course, we might as well believe in internet and belive that Princess is the best metal singer ever
and USA are democratic as hell.

mermaid wrote on 12.10.2009 at 14:06
Slavery wasn't a tradition supported by centuries and by religion in USA, it was a period of society's life. And sorry since Russians speak whatever they like on streets, in Internet, on radio, etc. that's is what you want, they are not afraid to say critics. But you can't tell them or any other nation that it is wrong that they do not want to entirely break their religion and beliefs so just to make some people like you feel happy. By the way The Bible doesn't support gay relationships if I remember.:)

Isabell, you again speaking without knowing reality.
Russians already put a label on Lenin and Stalin as tyrants and use a lot of critics towards them, a lot. Besides, both Lenin and Stalin were not of Russian nationality.
International journalists are constanly working in Russia, doing reports, interviews and stuff, asking and writting what they want- I see them later on BBC or CNN, or etc. No huge problem and freedom of speech, huh,I knew several of people when I was there that publically spoke everything they wanted about government, even with rude swearing, and you know what? Nothing bad happened:) Or and they wrote it on their blog- nothing happened as well.
So stop using these stereotypes,please, they arlready all out of date but sounds cheap.
There are democratic parties like Yabloko and Pravoe delo, for example, I hope I spelled them right :)
Russia doesn't dream a dream, on contrary it lives in real world a lot, changing along with changing world.
And USA uses much more military potential and large bribes to put pressure on other countries. As well as oil prices and stuff.
Isabell, where are you from? USA?

Michael wrote on 12.10.2009 at 15:20
mermaid
+10 for some points.

USA nation in general is very ignorant about, you know, lots of things, they are not very educated, do not know world history very well, world literature, world arts, world music, their entire culture is very poppish, simple, it can't be compared with European culture for example. Well ,they do not have really long history. They do not know simple things and when they write their address on their mail they often do not write the name of their country -as if the whole world live in USA :)

Lucy wrote on 12.10.2009 at 15:36
mermaid

You'll like this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59BfpQ
It is about Americans :)

*** wrote on 12.10.2009 at 15:38
The Seer, you are from Serbia, right? So do you remember how NATO and USA bombarded Serbia and Montenegro in 1999 for more than two months? How USA and NATO fucked the whole Yugoslavia? I hope you do. But maybe as a Serbian gay you liked that US-NATO fuck , maybe you even want more:)

Ha ha wrote on 12.10.2009 at 16:17
Lucy said: "USA nation in general is very ignorant about, you know, lots of things, they are not very educated, do not know world history very well, world literature, world arts, world music, their entire culture is very poppish, simple, it can't be compared with European culture for example. Well ,they do not have really long history."

This is true. The USA is low-educated and ignorant society, however the most progressive one. Most of the changes in nowadays civilization are starting in that country and then spreading to other countries.

TheSeer wrote on 12.10.2009 at 16:22
I know one thing, that Russian President Medvedev is a very cool dude!
He is a fan of hard rock, listing Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd,Rainbow and Led Zeppelin as his favorite bands. He is a collector of their original vinyl records and has previously said that he has collected all of the recordings of Deep Purple. In February 2008, Medvedev attended a Deep Purple concert in Moscow! He rocks! :)

Wow wrote on 12.10.2009 at 16:27
I know one thing, that Russian President Medvedev is a very cool dude!
He is a fan of hard rock, listing Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd,Rainbow and Led Zeppelin as his favorite bands. He is a collector of their original vinyl records and has previously said that he has collected all of the recordings of Deep Purple. In February 2008, Medvedev attended a Deep Purple concert in Moscow! He rocks! :)

Wow wrote on 12.10.2009 at 16:33
Everybody should keep in mind that the educational/cultural level and democratic/freedom level of a nation are 2 completely different things. As for the first, Russia easily beats USA, but as for the second USA easily beats Russia. EU has both.

TheSeer wrote on 12.10.2009 at 17:13
The US may have been the most progressive nation in the past, but now they are not anymore. I see Northern Europe on top now. Also, the USA have toppled quite many democratic governments (mainly in Latin America) for selfish, economy-related reasons (bananas!). That's a central reason why the USA has an extremely negative image in Latin America. There are many, many things wrong with the USA - though Germany has lots of issues, as well. Pointing to other countries who are worse off is a bad way to handle this, because wealthy countries are mainly responsible for the misery of the poor countries and are wealthy exactly because of the oppression that leaves poor countries poor.

Almagest wrote on 12.10.2009 at 20:21
TheSeer: The educational/cultural level and democratic/freedom level of a country are not unrelated. When the population is uneducated, it is much easier to reduce democracy and freedom, which has already happened in the USA. The USA are not that high on either level, in practice (there is democracy and freedom, but only if you belong to the privileged part of society, for minorities, the picture is much bleaker), only their technological level is higher. This is something that is easily overlooked in so-called democracies in general. The way minorities and dissenters are handled and how well they are off in practice is a touchstone of real democracy. "Freiheit ist die Freiheit der Andersdenkenden" - "liberty is the liberty of the dissenters" - Rosa Luxemburg.

Almagest wrote on 12.10.2009 at 20:30
"This is true. The USA is low-educated and ignorant society, however the most progressive one. Most of the changes in nowadays civilization are starting in that country and then spreading to other countries."

You know real solid long progress can't be built if the society is low-educated and ignorant, it is a house on the sand, it could work for some period but mostly it could lead into deadend with some really bad results. To regress for example.

"educational/cultural level and democratic/freedom level of a nation are 2 completely different things. As for the first, Russia easily beats USA, but as for the second USA easily beats Russia"

Actually it is education and culture that help society to self-develop more than anything else. You can't be really free if you are not educated and you can't be really democratic if you don't have culture. So educated society with real culture will obtain democracy and freedom of their own, sooner or later ,and I see that Russia is making quite a progress specially within such short period after such a troubled history period, they already have that now. USA made a quick leap in that, yes, but since high education and real culture of society is not the basis of that, it is very vulnerable, not to tell that USA tried to present themselves as ideal image of ideal democracy while they do not comply with it.
Europe - I mean main European countries like UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Switzerland really did better than USA on that field.

Lucy wrote on 12.10.2009 at 21:00
Seer said:

"Most of the changes in nowadays civilization are starting in that country and then spreading to other countries."
________________________________
yes. Financial crisis for example. iT started one year one month ago IN USA and spread to other countries.

Thanks, Seer, for reminding us.

mermaid wrote on 13.10.2009 at 11:06
And one more importatnt thing on top of that... west european countries have balls. USA does not.

Terorism is and was everywhere. And will be, for that matter. But while USA in their fear of it completely abandoned human rights of their OWN PEOPLE,

Uk and Spain dealt with it. After decades of negotiations UK persuaded IRA to give up. DO you remember when IRA handed their weapons away?

It was a touchy moment for everybody. And IRA did try to shoot the royal family, as well. Look at the belfast to see what they have been capable of.

Spain is dealing with ETA - they also have a history on how to face terorists... did any of these countries give up the human rights of their OWN people, like USA did??? Flying fu*k they did.

While USA needed one terorist attack.... and they were wet by seer fear.

As I said in SW - they are true teenage nation of this planet.

mermaid wrote on 13.10.2009 at 11:17
For a twist back on topic, I am under the impression that Tarja does not generally embrace American culture and does not view the USA as a sort of promised land, the way many other artists do. She loves her US fans just like she loves all her fans, but she seems to prefer other countries, especially Latin America. Being from Latin American (and often considered suspicious by security people at border controls due to his look), Marcelo likely harbours even fewer positive feelings towards the USA.

That's another thing I like about Tarja. She does not conform to the general US mania - she does admire American metal and Hans Zimmer and co-operate with his people, but she has moved to Buenos Aires instead of L. A. and does special events for her Argentinian, Finnish, Brazilian, and Romanian (perhaps also German) fans, instead of for the American fans. She does not seem to be as keen on conquering the US market as everyone else is and more interested in her artistic integrity than to adapt to external standards. (After all, wouldn't it be stupid to surrender her newfound creative freedom again?) She doesn't exhibit any desire to be a megastar; she contents herself with being well-known enough to make a good living out of her music, but not so famous that she would feel special pressure from outside - apparently, she tries to strike a balance.

Almagest wrote on 15.10.2009 at 05:48
Almagest,

wake up. Tarja does not concentrate on USA market, because
A) in USA she would be one of oh so many
B) there is no market for this music in USA

and as we say, fisherman who does the fishing in lake with no fishes,
will go to bed hungry.

She is where her market is... which is a smart thing for everybody not just for a singer.

:-P

mermaid wrote on 15.10.2009 at 10:27
@ Michael

My nationality doesn't matter. Even if i tell you it won't change anything.

Ok, i post it again: Freedom of press in Russia is considered amongst the worst in the world by press freedom organization Reporters Without Borders and is ranked 141st in the world for press freedom in their annual survey.

some smart links:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091019/federman

http://cpj.org/2008/09/cpj-asks-russia-to-allow-journalists-entry.php (not so old i guess)

I was writing about LEADING political parties like: United Russia, the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, or Fair Russia. These are leading, Yabloko doesn't has representation in the State Duma so what can they do?

Some more stereotypes or rumors (hope only for you). When Eastern Europe was under Russian occupation all you could find in shopes was: vinegar and soap. ( i can write some more rumors specially for you)

@ mermaid

it explaines why they are (and rest of Eastern Europe.) so developed compere to German now .

Isabell wrote on 15.10.2009 at 13:18
mermaid, I know that there is no real market for her music there - even metalheads there prefer catchy pop metal with loads of orchestrations to her music or even the old NW albums. Although what you say that she'd just be "one of oh so many" there is in contradiction with that. Are you saying there are lots of operatic rock singers there? No, her style is even more unique in the eyes of Americans than of Europeans.

But if the USA were the most developped nation in the world - why does she choose to live in a Third World country? Why is she so focussed on Europe and Latin America? As I said - either she's a very good actor (much better one than her former band) or she is genuine when she says she loves those countries ...

Almagest wrote on 15.10.2009 at 17:35
Oh, Almagest,

she would be one of oh so many singers... naturally, she would have to sing POP, like her ex-bandmates.

There is NO contradiction in that.

And as for:

"why does she choose to live in a Third World country? "

well, if I will fall in love with you,... I would move to Germany. Even if this is something I never thought of.

She can sing wherever she is. He HAD HIS business. So, it was completely logic thing to do - SHE MOVED.

How romantic person you are... pragmatic reasons prevailed. As they always do.

mermaid wrote on 15.10.2009 at 17:49
Isabell, ok, but it seems like you are ashamed of your nationality that you do not want to speak of it. And it can change stuff, cause if you are of certain nationality for example than that partly could explain your attitude and prejudice towards Russia:) I noticed it before a couple of times.

And about freedom rates by Reporters Without Borders I would really believe them a lot but I know situation based on personal experience . I know how many Internet informative resources write about politics and government in Russia and what stuff they write and that they tell their whatever they choose, using all kinds of words and critics towards it or situation in this or that area in country, some writes really tough stuff. The same goes for radio stations or printed press.For example such kind of radio station interviewed Hillary Clinton as I was informed :)
Not to mention that many foreign journalists were let in the country to write about her visit and situation freely. )))
And I see that American journalism who is often praised a lot like a very good one , fakes up a lot of information about war in Iraq or Afganistan or about their financial crisis and etc and misrepresents that or tries to hide some information and facts come out through over international press. I also know this is done in British press, and that is more sad for me for personal reasons.
So I unfortunately see perfectly that such issues about freedom of press got very politicized now, and is used to make somebody totally likea bad guy while keeping the others perfectly clean and such countries as USA try to use it as a tool while not being perfect at all.
Besides, now the desision is being passed in Russia to let foreign journalists to some tough regions, which were closed due to anti-terrorists operations :)

If you are talking about parties who are in State Duma, than three parties there are opposition parties to main party (United Russia), not always supporting the main party at all, while Yabloko is an oppostion party outside Duma does its share by spreading alternative opinions, publications and activities in local areas, though preferably in cities and confronts other parties there.)) That is pluralism.

Isabel, during soviet times in Eastern Europe not so many things were sold, but not many things were sold in Russia as the main part of USSR as well :) Nobody was having a rose garden then. And on the contrary, in USSR countries like Poland,Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia were considered the most appealing ones, "more western ones", common folks look up to them as example of more developed and posh lifed countries :) They were like first countries of USSR -to go there was an event, it was like to "go abroad". It was amusing to find out about that.
And now they are undeveloped, more like the last countries of EU, since many many other EU countries are much more developed than they are in all the ways. The irony :)

The nice thing about stereotypes and rumors is that they are not accurate to reality and are easily blown :)

Michael wrote on 15.10.2009 at 21:43
Michael said:

"And on the contrary, in USSR countries like Poland,Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia were considered the most appealing ones, "more western ones", common folks look up to them as example of more developed and posh lifed countries :) "
______________________________
you forgot Yugoslavia... THAT was a POSH country. So POSH, that you needed a visa to go there... communism or not.

And goverments of all socialist countries were very carefull about giving a visa, because Yugoslavia was not just POSH, but also a way to run to West..

Otherwise you have got that right. Yugoslavia, thanks to war they had is not POSH anymore... Poland was affected by their anticomunism fight (freedom comes with large bills, you know?)

life comes with many changes...

mermaid wrote on 16.10.2009 at 11:47
@ Michael

I'm not ashamed of my nationality.I write under my real name and it's enough for me. Let's make some mystery;)

Isabell wrote on 16.10.2009 at 17:15
sorry my mistake. So again...

@ Michael

I'm not ashamed of my nationality. I write under my real name and it's enough for me. Let's make some mystery;) Anonymity in the Internet is a cool thing.

Anyway, you have your picture of Russia i have mine. You have your personal experience , i have my own opinion and official sources which i have no reason to not trust, maybe you have. Let's leave it.

My allergy to Russia starts every time when sb is writing and trying to convince me that Russia is a democratic country.

Isabell wrote on 16.10.2009 at 17:51
Isabell, well, so I'm writting under my real name as well. :)

And as you said I have my picture of Russia based both on personal experience , meaning on living there, studing there and on official sources there and from other countries :)
And I'm really sorry that you have allergy, but Russia is a democratic country, very young one, still building it , not perfect with still a long, long and hard way to go as they have difficult past. But as it was mentioned here by many people USA is not an ideal democracy either, but it tries to push that image to others, trying to cover their growing imperfections. For example I hate that my country dances to USA's pipe, by sending more of our troops in Afganistan. It is not our war frankly speaking.
And to end all that thing on positive note, there was a comment from USA presidential advisor for Russian and CIS Affairs, Michael McFall - he said that Washington was going to abandon harsh criticism of "sovereign democracy" in Russia in public, though they woul still keep eye on that issue, give comments and co-operate on that matter with Russians. Well, let's see if they keep their words.
Actually, it is seen now that even USA understands that it is not smart of them to push on Russia, cause it will bring out more their own sins in return :)

So let's finally leave it and return to the topic about Tarja :)

Michael wrote on 16.10.2009 at 23:35
Michael it's very good idea.

PS. Nice to meet you;)

Isabell wrote on 17.10.2009 at 22:04
mermaid, but if Tarja was that pragmatic she'd either

1) pressured Marcelo to relocate to L. A. with her

or, even more obviously,

2) "fallen in love" (seduced) some more important and wealthy person - perhaps Hans Zimmer? ;-) (Marcelo is pretty much a nobody, especially globally speaking) and moved to L. A. with them

Nobody forces you to move to a Third World country when you come from a country as rich and developped as Finland.

Although, from what I've read, Eastern Finland, especially Northern Karelia, her home, is the poorest part of Finland and Tarja grew up as a farm girl (her mother had to take care of the farm even though she'd wanted to become a singer, too), so she was not particularly spoiled in her youth.

Anyway, Tarja's decisions (such as singing with Rata Blanca - they're virtually unknown outside the Spanish speaking world, just because they sing in Spanish) are just not those of a person who is in it for the money.

I have no doubt that MWS could have been much more in the style of Once (and more popular) if she had wanted it. There are many songwriters out there (from the metal scene or not) who could have written more mass-compatible material for her (it's not really "genius" that makes Once and DPP so commercially successful, but accessibility and catchiness - as I like to point out, Coldplay are HUGE, much bigger than NW, and certainly not because their music is in any respect particularly good, it's just catchy and marketed heavily).

Almagest wrote on 19.10.2009 at 22:49
Almagest,

said:
"1) pressured Marcelo to relocate to L. A. with her "
__________________________________
and what he would do there??? Saving the world in 4 minutes? Or trying to get a job in Mac Donalds?

"2) "fallen in love" (seduced) some more important and wealthy person - perhaps Hans Zimmer? ;-)"
___________________________________

you think that there are no other chicks ready to fall in love with rich men... so Tarja, who is not SO special in looks
will have all those rich men to chose one?
there are many good looking women in USA, you might be surprised... even some beauty queens... and this country attracts singers from all countries, so Traja will be on way too full market. One of oh so many.

I would personaly preffer to be a No. 1 in small undeveloped country then one of milion unsuccesfull singers of USA.

To be a QUEEN, even in a small kingdom is way better, then to work for MacDonalds and dream an american dream. At least for me.
:-P

And one more thing - she did NOT leave Finland for good.... If I remember right, they still have a house there...

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 15:05
Well, we don't disagree here, mermaid. :-)

I'm not saying that she isn't a pragmatic person - not at all. She IS smart.

I know that she has a house in Kuusankoski. It's her summer holiday house or something.

And of course she tries to make a living out of making music. As well as a certain living standard.

I'm just saying - if she was "just in it for the money" she'd make different decisions. I'm sure that she is genuinely, personally interested in Latin America.

And as for her looks - we've already noticed at the forum that a lot of Hollywood celebs are in fact rather plain looking. :-)

It IS curious that Tarja has been touring Finland so little even though it is the country where her fame and sales numbers are highest.

Almagest wrote on 21.10.2009 at 18:32

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