NIGHTWISH Singer Anette Olzon Commences Work On New Solo Album In Stockholm

20.10.2009

NIGHTWISH singer Anette Olzon has issued the following update:

"I am at my hotel room in Stockholm after a day full of creating songs in the studio together with Stefan and Johan. Its been really nice and also fun to sit down and making songs together. We have one song that is ready to record some vocals on tomorrow and then two more ideas that we will work more with. Now I just need to write some more lyrics to them, in my own private space.

This will be so great and its so nice to have such great songwriters and musicians to help me with the songs. We work that way that we sit down by the piano and the guitar and just try melodies etc and then I write down lyrics and we try and test the structure of the song. Then Johan goes and puts drums, bass etc in the computer to get the music recorded for me to test-sing it. Then we work from there. It's so nice to create songs like this, I haven't done that since we started ALYSON AVENUE, so its been a while but I'll soon get a hang of it again.

And I really like the sound of it already!

Now: time to write some lyrics writing before I fall asleep...my head's tired.

Sleep well!"

Source: Bravewords.com

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Good to see that DEB is posted here even without my effort...

But this one is TBC (to be continued)

DEB:

"Tuesday, 20 October 2009

Tired eyes

Oh, my eyes are so tired today..I sat up quite late to finish the lyrics and then I woke up to early, but I will get some coffee to wake up;=)

Someone asked me if any of the NW boys are gonna be involved in my album and yes, I have already asked Emppu to play a song so that will be nice;=)

Another question was what I think of when writing the lyrics, my inspiration. I am a bit of a gloomy lyrics writer so I usually pick some hard or sad events in my life and then transform them to a lyric.

Now time for some breakfast and then I need to write some more lines of lyrics and then we hit the studio again. Will report in the evening again;=)
till then, enjoy the day!
Posted by Anette Olzon at 08:49 "

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 10:12
... and it is good to hear that she is capable to put an album in shape within a week or so...

Hope that Maestro will finally learn something from her - he need YEARS to do that.

:-P

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 10:14
Princess said: "I am at my hotel room in Stockholm after a day full of creating songs in the studio together with Stefan and Johan."

Wow a day full of creating songs, it's good that she didn't say "an hour full of creating songs". Maestro needed months for creating his songs and when finally created, Diva needed days to record them in the studio. So it is as follows:

Maestro & Diva: a song = months & days
Princess: a day = bunch of songs

Oh and isn't studio supposed to be for RECORDING songs that are already created? Or maybe Princess is doing creating and recording at the same time, in order not to waste time???

TheSeer wrote on 20.10.2009 at 11:36
After reading the rest of the news I got the answer to my question: YES, she's composing and recording songs at the same time. Maestro, Diva and tons of other songwriters are so stupid... composing songs and then waiting years to record them. Life is short. And hard. Unless you have life coaches, personal assistants and managers around you. People with big houses. They are nice and funny. :-)

TheSeer wrote on 20.10.2009 at 11:42
Ha, ha so she also writes and co-writes songs with OTHER songwriters and musicians for her solo album.....and some people complained about another certain singer and her solo album, LOL

Yes, Holopaine should learn such speed, it takes him like two years to write album, but actually it is seen that Olzon got tired of Tuomas's songwritting (just within two years), and decided to show him how the work should be done.

WiFi wrote on 20.10.2009 at 11:42
"Life is short. And hard."

exactly, Seer.... years are not to be wasted.

:-P

I have NO DOUBTS tha till Maestro will be able to put together songs for the next album, Princess will have 5 CDs out.

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:03
I am curious to hear how her album will sound. I'm pretty sure it will be mainstream music, but what if she will prove us we were wrong? ... No, I don't think so, she is not at all metal :-D

Kiri wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:12
Kiri,

she said on her blog it will NOT be metal. Though, she said it will be rock.

I just wonder if it would be at least comparable with those cats´ singing I could hear on my garden...

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:18
Kiri, she already said it won't be metal, but "rockish" - "rockish" in her language means pop-rockish or just popish ;-P

"I am a bit of a gloomy lyrics writer so I usually pick some hard or sad events in my life and then transform them to a lyric."

Does this mean there will be song about her PMS? Why, didn't she stress that it is such a hard and sad event in her life? LOL

Patty wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:24
She should do a cover for her album of Britney Spears's song "Ooops, I did it again" :) That's pure rock!!!! Lol

Izzy wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:29
Yes, I remember now she said it will be "rockish" and by watching her usual style I guess that means "popish". Anyway, she's getting closer to her aim (I say this because I am sure that's why she wanted to get into Nightwish... just to become famous"

Kiri wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:44
Princess said: "I am a bit of a gloomy lyrics writer so I usually pick some hard or sad events in my life and then transform them to a lyric."

Maybe there will be a song about the death of her cat?

TheSeer wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:47
mermaid said: "I have NO DOUBTS tha till Maestro will be able to put together songs for the next album, Princess will have 5 CDs out."

Yet it won't be a solo career, just 5 solo albums [Wrathchild]. Why would the best and the hottest singer that has ever walked the Earth [Wrathchild] stop after only one album? That is probably going to hit US #1 [Wrathchild].

TheSeer wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:52
PMS, death of her cat...

I was actually thinking about her shopping ... she was quite often in IKEA lately, so I thought about some dark lyrics from some IKEA corner...

no discount, no discount, they again have no discount, yeeeh, yeeeh, yeee...

And I was thinking about "hep, hep, hep" song
and
"aaaaaaeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiooooooouuuuuuuu" song, too.

I personaly do not see any reason why she would not to have an album done within a week. :-)))

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 12:54
i think that it will be a concept album revolving the death of kulan (the cat) :PP

mar wrote on 20.10.2009 at 13:02
lol to everybody xD

But just look at the bright side of things! You should just download the album (even downloading it payed is cheaper), play it out load in the garden and there will be no more cats =D Not fighting, not "cat singing", not leaving things behind between your flowers.. They are all scared that you'll kill them.. The money you save by not buying the album in the record shop, you can spend on ear plugs so that she the "music" won't give you nightmares.. And to buy the album of an artist that doesn't gives you nightmares to listen to during the day!

OT: After all I've read, I already think that this album is going to suck. Writing and composing a bunch of songs in just a day doesn't works if you want qualitie songs.

Erica wrote on 20.10.2009 at 13:17
"Maybe there will be a song about the death of her cat? "

The title of the song will be "My pussy died" with lines:

"Whyyyyyyy my little pussyyyyy dieeeeeied?!
Hep,hep, who killed my cat?"

But a whole concept album about the cat? Well, it would make her a copycat (irony) cause there is a whole music piece already about cats, whole musical called "Cats". But Princess could defy Tuomas, Webber and gravity :)

Tameless heart wrote on 20.10.2009 at 13:30
looool at "tameless heart". i'm just thinking of the lines that you said "Whyyyyyyy my little pussyyyyy dieeeeeied?!
Hep,hep, who killed my cat?" and i'm thinking of anette having a video clip of that song, running around a garden in faded light, wearing a black dress and mourning the loss of her loved one (well in this case is the cat- kulan :PP)

mar wrote on 20.10.2009 at 14:02
@Izzy...Children Of Bodom covered Oops I did it again...and it wasn't bad! For a drinking song anyway.

Jon wrote on 20.10.2009 at 14:21
Erica said:

"play it out load in the garden and there will be no more cats =D Not fighting, not "cat singing", not leaving things behind between your flowers.. They are all scared that you'll kill them.."
_______________________________

I do not have flowers. But I do have ears.
And those little bastards are used to come to my house - if you see pictures of it on forum, you know why - there is a place under the roof, where they could do their activities...

But, honestly, what they would think about me, when listening to Princess? I know they are but cats, but they are also pretty vindictive... :-P

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 14:36
and one more thing . I would suggest a duet with Maestro...

For those of you, who did not hear him singing...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X89LiMFQPMU

Enjoy

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 14:37
The Seer: "Yet it won't be a solo career, just 5 solo albums [Wrathchild]. Why would the best and the hottest singer that has ever walked the Earth [Wrathchild] stop after only one album? That is probably going to hit US #1 [Wrathchild]."

That made my day :D But you forgot to mention that it is going to be real metal and kick ass!

Well, one could say it's stupid to say an album's gonna suck when it isn't even recorded yet, but considering everything we know about it and the fact that others already say it's going to be amazing, which is just as wrong imo, I don't feel too guilty ;-)

Earwen wrote on 20.10.2009 at 15:15
Princess is such a strong woman. Her head has been full with ideas for new songs and exploding becuse of that for quite some time. YET she waited the very last day to write those ideas down. You need immense strength of will to surpress your creative drives for such a long time. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 20.10.2009 at 15:18
well, first, i think there's quite a difference between a hard rock/pop song with not so deep lyrics and stuff tuomas usually writes - it's totally different approach.
Secondly, i hope Anette will record a high-quality material album, with some fine catchy tunes in pop/rock envelope. Shes well suited for this kind of music

kopec wrote on 20.10.2009 at 16:12
Hahahahahaha Nobody is taking her solo album seriously!

Well of curse not, i bet shes gonna have it done by the end of the week. And its going to be... laughable!

Oh and Tero I have a question:
¿why MFF post news realted to Olzon?
1. Shes not from finland.
2. This is related to her solo career, not to her work with Nightwish (So obviously not metal)

MFF Staff: Her being related to finnish band is enough. Whether you believe it or not, people do expect to find these news here on MFF. It's like we posted news about Justin Biggs, ex-bassplayer of Revolution Renaissance and the news was about his soloband Descend which had nothing to do with Finland. It's just a decision we've made.

Tero
MFF

Ragnarök wrote on 20.10.2009 at 16:39
Hi, Tero,

good to see you again... How is your life going?

MFF Staff: Thank you I am doing fine. Things have been extremely busy here lately and therefore there might have been some delays on comments coming online. Sorry about that. I need a vacation...bad...

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 20.10.2009 at 16:57
@Jon

Children of Bodom made an awesome drinking, burping cover which sounds cool, because first of all they are Children of Bodom, then their cover is totally laughable and like " in your face, Britney, you pop blonde bitch" and it was a solid male cover thing, but if Princess would make a cover on it, that would be even more poppy than original, lol
She sees music through poppy glasses.

Izzy wrote on 20.10.2009 at 17:44
Tero

Oh fair enough.
Thanx for the answer.

Ragnarök wrote on 20.10.2009 at 17:46
"i hope Anette will record a high-quality material album, with some fine catchy tunes in pop/rock envelope. Shes well suited for this kind of music "

Oh, yes she does fit this kind of music best of all and should stay in this pop-rock "envelope" forever, out of NW :)

Oh and it even takes The Rasmus, who are rock (basically pop-rock) more time to write stuff for new album, but no, Olzon wants to breed songs with speed of light - that's how real mainstream pop "artist" work :)

Ravenheart wrote on 20.10.2009 at 17:55
No matter, the news about some Swedish singer writting her pop Swedish solo album has nothing to do with awesome Finnish metal and rock (not matter if she is related to Finnish band). Period.

Rakastaa wrote on 20.10.2009 at 18:02
Earwen said: "But you forgot to mention that it is going to be real metal and kick ass!"

Of course! Don't forget that we are here on Metal From Finland.

Diva is nothing without Maestro, but PMS Princess is a born rocker and doesn't need Maestro. Her PMS induced anger is the best inspiration for a rock album that you can find! Already Maestro is scurrying about in panic trying to find out the secret of PMS Princess's unbounded creativity - but to no avail, as Maestro, unfortunately, is still not female enough ...

As she is not likely to help out Maestro with songwriting, may I suggest that We, the Readers of Metal From Finland, collect our ideas in order to help Maestro writing the next Nightwish album. For we all know that Maestro is nothing without PMS Princess!

Almagest wrote on 20.10.2009 at 18:11
I love her proffesional attitude. Pros work fast. In music business time is money especially if you alllready rented a studio. It´s gonna be an awesome album. I have faith in you Anette Olzon! And stay metal!

Wrathchild wrote on 20.10.2009 at 18:37
@Erica
I love it! I will buy Anette's solo nothing and play it in my garden. I'm sure I will sleep very well! xD

Zwergenkönig wrote on 20.10.2009 at 18:48
Wrathchild said: "In music business time is money especially if you alllready rented a studio."

When you are starting solo pop career being 40 time is primarily just TIME. :-D

"I have faith in you Anette Olzon! And stay metal!"

And stay in Nightwish too. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 20.10.2009 at 19:17
Unfortunately she cand stay metal because she never was and undoubtedly will never bee metal, at all. Not even rockish from my perspective. She's PPP as in Poppy PMS Princess.

Jaussi wrote on 20.10.2009 at 19:59
"Pros work fast. "

Actually it is amateurs who work fast. For them fast = good.

"In music business time is money especially if you alllready rented a studio."

...time is money, especially when you are interested in only money, yourself and nothing else (like PMS Princess). She needs more money to buy all the clothes brands after all, it is her religion and Gucci is her God, or maybe Prada ;)

"And stay metal!"

How person who never was metal, doesn't like metal and actually likes pop more than metal can stay metal? No way.

"And stay in Nightwish too. :-p"

and stay out of Nightwish, it is better to say :)

Almagest, you bet, Tuomas is nothing without PMS Princess, actually I think he is ready to ask her to write all material for NW, cause he understands that he lacks that hep-hep thing in him and that feminine part as well :) Don't you think that Tuomas is mediocre in comparison with Princess?

Simon says wrote on 20.10.2009 at 20:58
Come on people,you can't be so stupid...
Of course there's a reason she's doing all these things fast...
But because she's in a hurry or because of being professional(yikes!)...

It's because she already had all these planned.Before joining NW.I'm sure she had her songs ready,and all she needed was a famous band to make HER rich and famous.

@wrathchild

Does professionalism in artists involve abandoning shows for psychological reasons and speaking all day long about your skirts?

Legeon wrote on 20.10.2009 at 21:40
Anette loves MUSIC! The word "metal" lost its significance thirty years ago. Grow up all you twelve year old so called "metalfans". Sissys.

Wrathchild wrote on 20.10.2009 at 23:28
Okay, so. I'm sorry, but all the mocking about a dead cat? That's really not funny. At all. =/ Not because you're making fun of Anette, but because you're making fun of the concept of being upset about losing a cat. I don't care how much you dislike someone, mocking the death of their pet is just not amusing or witty or funny whatsoever. In my world, a cat or other pet is a family member. My cats are my children, because honestly, I hate human kids. So making a mockery over the death of a cat is really just heartless. I lost a cat last year on Christmas Eve, and nothing about that event would ever be funny to me. I don't know how much Anette cares about her pets, but for people like me, who feels lost without animal companions, it's just really not funny at all.

I don't think Anette's solo album makes much sense or will be very good either, but yeah, that sort of mockery is just incredibly offensive to me.

Please don't make it seem like people are idiotic or inferior for loving their pets.

Arcana wrote on 21.10.2009 at 00:05
@Arcana

Are all Anette's fans that stupid?Answer me that.

People here aren't making fun of her loosing her cat.They are making fun of the fact that Anette posts all these information with some hundreds of people.If it really was an incident of sorrow,as you say,she would keep it to herself and not provoke pity from others.

@wrathchild

"The word "metal" lost its significance thirty years ago"

Said the guy who said that Anette is a real metal artist.
If i say i love you will you stop trolling?

Legeon wrote on 21.10.2009 at 01:21
HaHaHaHa!!! OMG, I love the evilness of all previous comments... but I agree with Arcana, laughing about the dead cat is not cool. It doesn't matter that Nettie sucks, and that she already created a ridicululous atmosphere about her cat's disease, by posting idiotic thoughts related to it on her blog. Making fun out of an animal's death is not fun at all.
Well, changing the subject, yeah Chucky Olzon's album is going to be the biggest crap ever, we all know that. I hope she saved some money to actually buy any copy, because if she doesn't buy the album herself... well then the number of selled CDs will be zero... XD

Who? wrote on 21.10.2009 at 02:58
Arcana:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! When I wrote that I agreed with you, I didn't read your entire post... I just read it...

"honestly, I hate human kids"...

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!! that just made my day... XD
I mean: your comment was so peaceful and down to earth, and all in a sudden you write "I hate human kids"... HaHaHa... I don't know why, but it sounds funny to me... XD

Who? wrote on 21.10.2009 at 03:06
"The word "metal" lost its significance thirty years ago."

How would you know? You weren't even in diapers back then. And as an Anette fanatic, it's pretty obvious that you don't understand anything of metal just like Anette doesn't so would you please go listen to that Rasmus+Anette duetto piece of (f)art and come back like... never?

I wonder if Anette had her dead cat made into a bag or scarf or something...

Jaussi wrote on 21.10.2009 at 08:14
Wow, can't wait for her solo album! It will not be metal, but I need more songs with Anette's voice!! She has such a "storytelling" voice and rare ability to adjust her singing from song to song. She is truely great performer and musician. Go Anette, made a great cd with a strong songs just like a strong person you are!

Alucard wrote on 21.10.2009 at 08:15
Legeon said:

"@wrathchild

Does professionalism in artists involve abandoning shows for psychological reasons and speaking all day long about your skirts?"
______________________________
does Wrathchild wear a skirt? ... is not it a bit unusal? or I missed something and it is a girl?

mermaid wrote on 21.10.2009 at 10:01
I must say, I am truly impressed.... She typed that message at 8.47. The next one she typed at 14.33.

If she had a lunch then her day full of music lasted abbout 4 hours. If her hotel is not too close to her producent´s big house, then even less...

Anyway, DEB:

"Wednesday, 21 October 2009
Waking up with music;=)

Oh, I dont know how many times I have woken up this night with songs in the head...;=) I must say its an amazing thing to write music. Its like when you start to create, the whole body gets involved in the process and its very hard to turn it off. I now understand the song-writers who do this for a living all the time. They are amazing;=)

Soon coffee and then off to the studio again. For you, the great theme song from True Blood, Jace Everett with Bad things. I love love love it;=)

Enjoy the day!"

mermaid wrote on 21.10.2009 at 10:27
Legeon said: "People here aren't making fun of her loosing her cat.They are making fun of the fact that Anette posts all these information with some hundreds of people.If it really was an incident of sorrow,as you say,she would keep it to herself and not provoke pity from others."

When the fiance of Loreena McKennitt drowned, she didn't appear in the public for 10 years because she was grieving him. And she sued one coworker because she revealed publicly some details concerning her bereavement. ;-)

Arcana said: "because honestly, I hate human kids."

Lol, ever tried with dolls? :-p

Alucard said: "She [Princess] has such a "storytelling" voice and rare ability to adjust her singing from song to song."

LOL!!!

TheSeer wrote on 21.10.2009 at 12:44
What bothers me in DPP is that since NW's powerful music and Anette's style of singing don't really match with each other, Anette is trying to compensate by shouting at the top of her lungs. The sound levels of the album's vocals must also have been boosted quite a bit to make up for the difference.

Anette said in some interview that Tuomas had promised to make the songs on the next album closer to her 'comfort zone.'
What do you think, does this mean that the next album will be mellowed out to pop music????

Wayfarer wrote on 21.10.2009 at 14:33
DEB:

"Wednesday, 21 October 2009

October and April video

Video update for you:

Tomorrow evening/night will the new video with me and the Rasmus and our song "October and April" have its internet premiere on the Rasmus website.

The Voice, Finland will show the video on friday and Viva, Germany gets the video also on friday.

I hope you all will like the video;=)
Posted by Anette Olzon at 13:18"

mermaid wrote on 21.10.2009 at 15:46
Haha, dumb little trolls, I salute you !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqfDwNEKEeQ&feature=related
Keep spamming m/

As for Anette's album...it might be good pop-rock, if she really work hard on it.

"Now: time to write some lyrics writing before I fall asleep...my head's tired."

This is really NOT the best way, to write lyrics IMO. :-P

DeadAndGone wrote on 21.10.2009 at 16:59
@Izzy
Yea...I agree. I do love playing people metal covers of songs they like, just for the reaction... Dimension Zero covered Stayin' Alive if you want to mess up a Bee Gees fan ;) (the best thing is it's an awesome song to boot, not just a funny cover)

Jon wrote on 21.10.2009 at 17:14
One song and two ideas after the first day... This already sounds bad. How many songs is this thing going to have in the end? Or is she going to write and record everything in the next two weeks and then decide that she's bored again a week later?

I like how she makes this much effort to publicize her solo album and the Rasmus song that she sings for, yet she rarely ever mentions the band that she supposedly loves so dearly.

Tainted~ wrote on 21.10.2009 at 17:41
Wayfarer said: "Anette said in some interview that Tuomas had promised to make the songs on the next album closer to her 'comfort zone.' What do you think, does this mean that the next album will be mellowed out to pop music???? "

I think it will be. Listen to that The Rasmus song feat. Princess to get an idea about her "comfort zone". :-p

TheSeer wrote on 21.10.2009 at 17:47
"She has such a "storytelling" voice and rare ability to adjust her singing from song to song. She is truely great performer and musician. Go Anette, made a great cd with a strong songs just like a strong person you are!"

That's totally wrong - cause she performs NW songs, songs with real sad or tragic lyrics with that girlie laughing attitude like she is singing about ice-scream on her skirt or something like that, and she can't adjust her singing from song to song, cause most of the NW songs she performs by screaming, forcing the sound out badly, it is clear she can't adjust her voice at all.

Arcana, to hate human kids is far worse than to laugh about person who made the death of her pet a known fact and stressed that on purpose, to get attention and pity (not the death of cat itself, I'm sorry for poor animal,honestly, cause his mistress used this animal 's death as a tool for attention).

The only troll here is that teenager who said:
"The word "metal" lost its significance thirty years ago".
I really ask myself why so many Olzon's fans either do not like metal or totally do not understand what it is. Lol Perhaps they just copy their idol Olzon on this one :)

Orion wrote on 21.10.2009 at 20:15
I don't think she's that evil (lol); I guess the sudden rise to fame maybe hit her in the head and obviously she doesn't know how to manage all this. It's quite clear to me that she hasn't realised that not everybody needs to know every single detail about her everyday activities. For me, it's vital for artists to keep a distance from their audience and let their work speak instead. All this gabble in her blog is a bit too much; she'd better update it whenever something really interesting happened in her life (like now with the solo album info). No matter whether you agree with her decision or not or whether you like her or not, the news on her solo work is a bit of info that has some interest, but gets stuffed among pointless posts on shoes, hair extensions, PMS (lol), nail polish etc etc.

Tainted~ said: "I like how she makes this much effort to publicize her solo album and the Rasmus song that she sings for, yet she rarely ever mentions the band that she supposedly loves so dearly."

This is true, I agree with you. I think she mentioned at some point that this is her personal blog, that's why she talks about herself and not Nightwish. Which is not a fair excuse, IMO; if it wasn't for Nightwish, she wouldn't be famous now and she would be still dreaming about making a solo album in another life. Looks to me as if she wants to distance herself from the rest of the band, dunno.

Sin wrote on 21.10.2009 at 20:47
I've got another idea for a song:
"Screaming Queen" like ABBA's "Dancing Queen"

@ Arcana.
I agree with you. It's not funny to loose a beloved pet.

Zwergenkönig wrote on 21.10.2009 at 21:27
@Legeon:

Y'know, I'm not surprised I could make a post without really even an inkling of support toward Anette, and you would still call me
1) an Anette fan.
2) stupid.

I don't fucking care what Anette writes in her blog. :/ I don't read it. I've got better things to do with my life, but to me, the mockery looks as if it's directed toward the fact that someone could POSSIBLY be upset or heartbroken about the loss of a pet. If the mockery is just about trying to receive pity, then type about THAT, not about the death of a cat. The way people are typing this mockery makes it seem as if Anette is a dumb bimbo -just because- she cared about her pet, which I find offensive not as an Anette fan (I'm really not; I don't give a shit about what she does outside of Nightwish) but as a pet owner and animal lover. I cried my eyes out the day my cat was hit, it's just not a funny topic, but people are obviously finding humor in the death of an animal, and Anette's cat or not, that animal deserves more respect than that.

I'm not here to argue with you, so how about laying off the insults? 'Cause no matter how you look at it, you will never be able to justify to me how mocking the death of a pet is funny. That does not make me stupid. I may not necessarily agree with the ideals I see you talking about, but I'm not going to call you stupid over them, because frankly, why? What's the point of insulting people?

@Who?: Can't help myself, those screaming brats drive me nuts. My children are of the furry variety. Those tantrum-throwing screaming machines are just not in my best interest because I've learned it's rather illegal to murder them. And I have no patience or tolerance for kids. XD My annoyance level (or lack thereof) + screaming children = bloodstains.

@TheSeer: I tend to loathe anything shorter than 4 feet and humanoid. ;) Dolls included. Give me a dog, a kitten and a betta anyday and that's the extent that my parenting goes.

Arcana wrote on 21.10.2009 at 21:58
Wayfarer said: "Anette said in some interview that Tuomas had promised to make the songs on the next album closer to her 'comfort zone.' What do you think, does this mean that the next album will be mellowed out to pop music???? "

If Tuomas makes the songs closer to Anette "comfot zone". That would mean the end for Nightwish. In the name of everything that is good in this world Tuomas make the songs like you always deed and let the PMS Princess deal with it!

Ragnarök wrote on 21.10.2009 at 22:58
If you agreed with Arcana's "I hate human kids" that means that you hate Wrathchild too hehehee. Every time I read one of his comments I can smell his diaper.

Good one Arcana hehehe

Ragnarök wrote on 21.10.2009 at 23:03
@Arcana

Please save the lecturing for kids,i rarely need it.I called you stupid because instead of trying to understand what people mean here,you first chose to attack them.

People here DON'T LAUGH ON ANETTE'S LOSS!Do you need smaller words?And then you wonder why i called you stupid in the first place.
People here make fun of her sharing it with all the freaking world!When someone is in real pain DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE PLANET and certainly DOESN'T GO SHOPPING THE NEXT DAY.

(i used capitals just to see how serious i am).

ps.Also save the lecture about loving our pets and stuff.I have a cat too and God knows what i've been trough when he was sick or how much i cry every time he is in pain.
But guess what;i don't announce it on Facebook!

Legeon wrote on 22.10.2009 at 00:03
@ Jaussi

re. "I wonder if Anette had her dead cat made into a bag or scarf or something..."

That's just fucking offensive.

I'm with Arcana on this one; mocking the death of a pet is extremely uncool and you can never justify it.

But expect that kind of behaviour from this crowd.

CanuckFan wrote on 22.10.2009 at 00:33
DEB:
"Wednesday, 21 October 2009
Hotel again

Back at the hotel after a long day again. Today we worked really hard again and even if we all said we felt a bit more tired, the music still flowed. And I think its just fine to be a bit tired after just popping out music, lyrics and ideas all the days and nights.

In the studio there are some nice dogs too and today I was the playmate of this little precious one you can see in the collage. He wanted me to throw and he´d fetch over and over and over;=)

Today we just did some first recordings on two more songs and its just so we can go home and listen and make changes in lyrics etc. We also started working on 2 more ideas and I like the fact that we have done some different songs when it comes to tempo etc. In the end I want 10 or 11 songs and its good if we have at least 15-16 to choose from when that day comes.

Tomorrow is the last day for this session and next week my son has his school holiday so no studio for me then, but the week after I´ll be here 4 days again.

Now I ordered myself some room service and then I´ll try and rest and sleep a bit.

You all sleep really well too;=)
Posted by Anette Olzon at 20:37 3 comments "

mermaid wrote on 22.10.2009 at 09:58
She is not just doing THE THIRD SONG (after one day not so bad at all) she is also SO BORED doing this that every 3 hours she types her blog. As follows:
DEB:
"Thursday, 22 October 2009
Answers to some questions

Hi from the studio;=)

Sitting and working on some lyrics again for the 3rd song we started working on yesterday. This is a bit more encouraging and I think its great=)

Someone asked me if I only think of the lyrics or melodies too and I do both. I do melodies and lyrics and the guys do melodies too. We co-operate so we all are participating on everything, except that its all my lyrics.
I am a team player and this is the perfect solution for me.

Another question was if it will sound like NW or Alyson Avenue and the answer is that it wont;=) Like I have said: rock but not metal. I am trying to show the different styles of my voice and here I can use it differently than in Nightwish since I make the melodies to suit me.

Today we drove by a music store on the way and I found lots of cool and nice guitars there;=) Still I havent practised so much guitar but someday I will;=) Now its more important to do my album first.

Now - more music;=) enjoy the day!
Posted by Anette Olzon at 12:00"

mermaid wrote on 22.10.2009 at 13:14
3 songs per day (day with 4 hours!)
menas that those 15 songs will be done within ONE WEEK!

So, they can do the recordings next week... and the CD we will have out on Christmass market.

Clever!

mermaid wrote on 22.10.2009 at 13:16
mermaid said: "She is not just doing THE THIRD SONG (after one day not so bad at all) she is also SO BORED doing this that every 3 hours she types her blog."

Lol, I wonder what are her assistants, coaches and managers doing?

TheSeer wrote on 22.10.2009 at 14:09
@ Sin: Yeah, she's stated that it's a personal blog so she will talk about what she wants to and what her interests are. Seems like aside from what clothes she decides to wear onstage, Nightwish isn't much of an interest to her these days... When she performs with Pain or does a song with Rasmus, or decides that she is going to make a solo album, the whole fan base has to know about it right away and see videos on youtube. But she only mentions Nightwish when the fans start pestering her about it.

I also noticed a post on her blog a little while back where she reminded the 'haters' to leave her blog alone. That no hateful comments would ever be approved. Then she proceeded to approve all of the 'hateful' comments directed at the 'haters'. So I guess people can post degrading comments on her blog and bitch all they want... As long as it's not directed at her. And then she peddles a story about spreading love and goodness in the world... Yipes...

Tainted~ wrote on 22.10.2009 at 16:27
""I said:I wonder if Anette had her dead cat made into a bag or scarf or something..."

CanuckFan said: That's just fucking offensive.

I'm with Arcana on this one; mocking the death of a pet is extremely uncool and you can never justify it. "

In exactly which part do you see me mocking the death of a pet? Cause I'm clearly mocking Anette there. :P

Jaussi wrote on 22.10.2009 at 18:14
Ok to all you asswipe wannabe "metalfans" out there. True metal is aggressiv distorted guitars. massive pounding on the drums and a singer that screams his or her lungs out in anger. That´s HEAVY METAL! Bands like early maiden (with Paul Dianno), Motörhead, early Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Manowar yeah and even The Sex Pistols with Johnny Rottens angry and annoying voice. What do all theses bands have in common? ATTITUDE!! You pussys out there (and you know who you are) dig bands like Epica and Tarja Turunen and call it metal!? You should be ashamed of yourself and get a dose of early Anthtrax (the band, not the disease). Don`t try to lecture me on what´s metal and what is not. I never considerd Nightwish as a heavy metal band with Tarja or Anette. To me Nightwish is good music and they never were or never will be metal as long as they stick to singers like Tarja and Anette. My mom likes both of them and that´s a bad sign right there.

Wrathchild wrote on 22.10.2009 at 20:57
of course she didn't answer the question about her voice range but she answered about other bullshites.

Isabell wrote on 22.10.2009 at 21:17
Legeon,

Your responses and how offensive they are prove that you're either just a very angry person or enjoy being a troll, because I have -not- attacked anyone. I posted to say that making fun and laughing over the death of a cat is not funny and is not something I consider funny or something people should find humor in. I didn't even list names or use any insults when making my first post. You, however, on your first response to my post decided to try and justify it and insult me. I'm sorry, but arguments fall flat when insults are needed to make a point.

No, I quite clearly understand what you are -trying- to say to justify this mocking, but I don't believe a word of it. =/ Mockery of that nature is offesive. Like I said, if you want to mock Anette for whining about loss on the internet or trying to get pity from her readers, type about that. No mention of a dead animal is necessary to enhance your humor. I really don't know why you're defending this so strongly, because I did not see YOU posting about what I'm referring to, so is it really your place to tell me what was really intended by that mockery? You know the intentions of every other person who comments here and can thereby tell me what was in their heads when they wrote comments laughing about a cat's death?

Even if it may not been the purpose of those commenting, these comments are disrespectful to a dead cat that could not control who its owner was. It deserves better than that. Make fun of Anette and don't involve other lifeforms in that. Because it's not cool and it's not funny. :/ I know that hardly anyone who post comments here is going to listen or care about what I have to say; you don't think I've noticed that in this crowd, if someone has a different opinion or disagrees with someone, they're automatically labeled dumb, stupid or idiotic and then attacked? That doesn't change the fact that the death of a pet is never funny and something no one should ever use to make fun of another person.

CanuckFan: I know it's hopeless, but hey, thanks for agreeing with me. :)

Jaussi: What you said was rather disrespectful to the animal itself, even if that wasn't your intention. Which is why it's just not good to use a topic like this to make fun of something... it's based a lot on interpretation and how someone reads into your comment, so you could end up being offensive toward cat/animal lovers without meaning to. Chances are you don't care either way, but I still think that this is a line that should be drawn when it comes to mockery. If someone sneered something about my dead cat at me, I'd be too upset for words.

Arcana wrote on 22.10.2009 at 21:33
Wow, she bakes those song like pies, 3 songs in one day and a half, and she is not very serious about it, since she spends so much time on writting all that stuff in her blog. Besides, she co-writes the songs together with those guys, so they do lots of work there, if not the most ;)

Creepy wrote on 22.10.2009 at 22:27
OK, probably the people who have typed all this paska about PMS are MEN. PMS is truely a tragic thing beyond her ability to write about, she just can't capture that painful atmosphere :)

Mora wrote on 22.10.2009 at 23:46
And yeah, I agree with Arcana about the cat, there wasn't a need to mention its death as an event to make fun of. It's even very cruel of us that we're making fun of Anette, but we just can't help it, she's a disaster by nature :) When I saw the words 'day full of creating songs', I felt really sick, I mean, I'm f***** sixteen and it takes me a lot of time to write one crappy poem, she's an adult woman and she should be making GOOD QUALITY album(s) so people would actually want to PAY for them. That is just humiliating for everyone else in the industry.
(And my English isn't working really well today O_O)

Mora wrote on 22.10.2009 at 23:53
@Arcana

I don't care if you are buying it,it is the truth.These people mock Anette's obsession with the internet and fame.
I suppose from now on even mockeries should be posted with their explanations too,in case someone is too sensitive and misunderstands them.

You are asking me why i defend these people?
Why YOU defend a person who used her cat's death for pity?

Don't need to answer that.I know your response:
"these people mocker the death of her cat".
And i am too tired from a 3-flight journey and a jet-lag to explain once again that they don't mocker the poor animal,but his mistress' lack of sensitivity announcing events like that.

(and as i said,when something like this happen,you don't announce it publicly and you don't go shopping the next day).

Legeon wrote on 23.10.2009 at 15:07
And wrathchild now is official a schizophrenic,saying that he never considered Nightwish metal BUT having said some time ago that he likes some real metal like "For The Heart I Once Had" and Anette Olzon.

I knew you were a troll,but a schizophrenic one too?
Love that.

Legeon wrote on 23.10.2009 at 15:11
Legeon. Ever heard the word "irony"? I picked to poppiest song on DPP and called it metal. Today everything is metal. Symphonic metal here, operametal there, powermetal here and thrashmetal there. If a song don´t have all the ingreedience I wrote on my previous comment it ain´t metal. It´s something else. Classical voice of Tarja or the rockier voice of Anette. Non of èm sound agressive to me. In other words, their not metal. If a cow is born in a stable it doesn´t automaticly become a horse.

Wrathchild wrote on 23.10.2009 at 18:04
@Arcana
It was HER who made a death of her pet a wide known fact and stressed it to get attention, pity and so on, so that is mocked, not the death of the animal itself. So your rage or whatever should be thrown against the person who made a PR for her own self based on the death of her cat. It is not our fault that she tries to use anything to attrack attention to her beloved self.
Now she only gets what she deserves.

Wow, that person Wrathchild can't make difference between heavy metal and those old school heavy metal bands and symphonical metal (in this case - female fronted). And he actually thought that somebody was callling NW heavy metal? Lol, poor dude, he has problems with notions and knowing things about metal. :)

Orion wrote on 23.10.2009 at 20:34
New NW fans use the best arguement now -that NW was never metal at all, lol
And how come that Tuomas was so touched when that interviewer said DPP wasn't metal, and he tried to argue DPP is metal?!

Tom wrote on 23.10.2009 at 21:35
Wrathchild, haha, go to Tuomas and tell him that NW was never metal,cause actually this is what Tuomas once said about NW:
"We play melodic heavy metal with female vocals".

Or and Marco even described NW like "melodic symphonic gothic metal."

Truth wrote on 23.10.2009 at 21:41
Tainted~ said: "I also noticed a post on her blog a little while back where she reminded the 'haters' to leave her blog alone."

Can you (or anyone else) post that blog entry where Princess addressed the "haters"?

TheSeer wrote on 24.10.2009 at 00:16
The Seer said: "Can you (or anyone else) post that blog entry where Princess addressed the "haters"?"

I think it's this post:

http://anette-olzon.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-lovely-commentor-we-have-here.html

Not sure if she made another mention in a later post as well, it was hard to locate the above again within these TONS of posts, lol. Now that I think about it, maybe she should consider writing a book instead of songs. How the heck does she manage to post that much every day? I know it would drive me crazy, lol.

Sin wrote on 24.10.2009 at 00:47
I was actually referring to this one:
http://anette-olzon.blogspot.com/2009/10/another-week.html

The one Sin posted works too, though. It's basically the same story except for that this time she didn't pick out just one person to talk about.

Tainted~ wrote on 24.10.2009 at 01:26
@ Tainted: Yeah, that was it; I thought I had seen another post in her blog.

Incidentally, in the entry you posted I noticed she writes the following:

"For those who wonder about my solo album:
I just stopped a 2,5 year travel around the world. I, as well as my fellow NW boys, need vacation and rest and that´s what I have now. Rest... the solo will come when it comes."

This was posted on the 5th of October, and from her words one would think she will take her time to rest and deal with the solo work later. However, less that 15 days later (19 October) she posts about her 'first day of songwriting'. So the much needed rest lasted only for 15 days. Wow. Guess her album will be done by Christmas, and then she will start working on the second solo album. By the time NW are ready to go to the studio, she will already have ten solo albums.

I used to like her and respect her, but I'm afraid not so much anymore. And it's not about her wanting to do things on her own (she is a free person and a free artist, and she can experiment as much as she wants); it's that I find her attitude completely unprofessional concerning the band and it looks like she wants to show herself as a figure of much more importance than the guys. I don't know if this is really what she feels and wants to show, but this is how it comes out with the way she acts. They had agreed to keep away from the media for a while, yet she tries to draw all attention on her in what seems to be such a convenient time now that the guys are vacationing or maybe even working on other things but without constantly bugging the world about what they do.

It makes me wonder, how long it will be before she receives her letter.

Sin wrote on 24.10.2009 at 14:25
@Sin you do have a point here.
And her blog issue, when she said that she wouldn't post any "bad" comments about her, but she still approved "bad" comments from her fans about those "bad" comments about her - how sequentially of her :) She actually in that way approves and indulges her fans to say any kind of bad things about people who do not like her, but she still makes blah-blah about peace, understanding and love :) Cheap attitude.

And about that thing:

"And it's not about her wanting to do things on her own (she is a free person and a free artist, and she can experiment as much as she wants)"

I would like to add that actually she did only one album with NW, did one tour with them and was brought into fame only by the them (cause she was totally unfamous and became famous cause she joined already quite famous band), so her haste to make a whole a solo album straight away is very ridiculous and questionable - as if that fame she got so quickly and those money she now earns to buy piles of tasteless clothes only thanks to NW, are not enough for her already and she just wants more and more, to suck more money and more attention as soon as possible. Cause frankly speaking, couldn't she wait till the release of her second album with NW, and after that start her solo project? Would it kill her? Hardly. But no, she needed that NOW.

Isn't that obvious that she uses NW, her quick fame in the band, just to drag all attention possible to her? Not very respectful from her side to the band which made her famous, besides she doesn't pay them much attention in her blog. But maybe she knows, that she won't stay long in NW and wants to built a backup for her asap? :)

Ron wrote on 24.10.2009 at 18:15
@Sin

Very soon.I think it will be after her album is released(very soon then :P),because then Nightwish will have the perfect opportunity to use their old weapons and accuse her of becoming a diva and not caring about them but more about her solo career-sorry,album.
But this time,they will not be lying.

Legeon wrote on 24.10.2009 at 18:57
@Ron

Very good post.And there are many proofs that she just joined NW earn the fame and money she needed to do her solo career,but no one accepts it.

Legeon wrote on 24.10.2009 at 19:09
Actually, Legeon, I think nobody wants to see it. Especially those Nw guys, because they "are so happy together" and she is "so down to earth" to accept the truth and do something about this "wannabe singer". And I don't think she will receive any letter, I think they will simply separate from one another. But I guess they will do one more album together.

Kiri wrote on 24.10.2009 at 20:08
That seems to be the story for a lot of people these days, actually. I really liked her when she first joined Nightwish and had respect for her. That all went down the drain fast soon after she started posting all of this crap in her blog. She seems to think that the universe revolves around her and anyone who says otherwise is a hater with no life. Tuo said in a recent interview that the boys will be out of the spot light for a while to take a break and give the fans a chance to not be so sick and tired of hearing about them all the time. Yet, here is Anette, gathering as much attention to herself as she possibly can with a solo album. And when she feels like her clothes, food, and music-of-the-day posts aren't getting enough attention, she posts about the haters and tries to get her readers to boost up her morale by complaining about said haters.

I've lost track of how many massages and spa days she had gone through in the last month and yet she's still sore and tired after a day in a studio... writing music... I'm no music writer, but that doesn't make much sense to me. She seems to be spending a lot more time writing in her blog than writing lyrics. And don't forget... She also has to read and approve comments now. That takes even longer. So is it really about music for her if she spends more time on blogger than she does at the studio?

All I can say is that I hope that the boys wake up and realize that they have created a monster here. That she gets fired and they find someone who will be capable to sing their songs and happy to do so without any drama. I just watched 'End of an Era' again last night and I really hope that they will be able to perform like that again one day.

Tainted~ wrote on 24.10.2009 at 23:10
@ Ron: I agree with you on waiting for the solo part. I'm sure she could have waited a bit more before rushing to the studio to record "her" songs. I put her in quotation marks because I'm not sure how much of these songs is actually hers. Because humming a line that then will be added in a full song written by someone else isn't exactly what I call songwriting.

The thing with Anette is that she went the wrong way. Normally people who have to do with art - musicians in this case - appear with their work (be it an album or concerts), they show their art to the public and they either gain or not fans and admiration. What Anette did was, after securing a certain fanbase (thanks to Nightwish), she started stating here and there that she is a songwriter, that she loves music, that she loves singing, that she is this, that she is that. Well miss Olzon, I will tell you something that maybe you don't know: you don't declare that you are something; you simply do what you feel like doing, what comes from your heart, and it's the audience's turn then to aknowledge what you are and what you can do. I can go out in the street and declare that I am a genious, but noone will believe me if I hadn't done anything to prove that.

Like I said previously, I used to like her; even her interpretations of older NW songs I found them good or at least interesting. But at the same time, I didn't feel comfortable listening to her (whether she sang old or new songs). I couldn't define why this was happening - one time liking her, next time not liking her. But then I found out what it was: the frontperson is there not only to interprete the songs, but also to set the mood of the band. Tarja may not have always been perfect on stage, but she had her way to setting the mood of the band in an unbeatable way. Her stage persona underlined the uplifting feel of the music and this was transmitted to the audience. What Anette does is, she may be good or bad live (I am not judging that now), but the thing is she drags the songs down, resulting in them losing a lot of their magic. I guess that the guys chose her for a reason, but I can't believe that they cannot see what she does. They are all too experienced. Her singing may have improved with time, but her interpretations have deteriorated, imo. All these twirls she adds to every single frigging note end up too annoying and several times the original melodies are completely lost. Improvisations are good - all singers improvise when singing live - but not when they destroy the feel of a gorgeous song (ie, Ghost Love Score; her initial interpretations I found them quite fine, but in Hartwall Areena her version was dreadful).

And another thing. I don't think that any other time have Nightwish done and released so much material without the participation of their lead singer. DPP was released with the addition of a disk with the instrumental versions of the songs; they recorded "While Your Lips..." with Marco only; then "Erämaan Viimeinen" with Jonsu; now this tribute song with Marco only; and then it's the demo versions, again with Marco only. One could come up with several excuses - "the company wants to make money, Anette doesn't know Finnish, she was new then and her role was unavoidably restricted..." But to me it seems as if someone (the band? the company? everyone?) wasn't exactly sure about Anette's choice as a frontwoman. But maybe I am seeing conspiracy theories and all this is just stupid speculation. :)

Sin wrote on 24.10.2009 at 23:44
@Sin

"I can go out in the street and declare that I am a genious, but noone will believe me if I hadn't done anything to prove that."

That is one hell of a correct thing,and you are very right.Like for example,when she said that she is a "good friend" a good person...You can't say things like that about yourself.Even if you manage to reach a certain level of maturity and modesty and judge objectively,you still can't talk about yourself.
Even saying "i suck" is wrong,because others judge us and define what we are,not ourselves.

Also,saying that you are a good friend is extremely stupid,since "friend" is someone for others.You might say "a good person",even if you are wrong,but you can NEVER even think of saying "i'm a good friend".A good friend for who,yourself?Our friends say if we are good friends for them,not us for ourselves.
She may thinks that she is a good friend because of what others tell her...But from we've seen,most of her companions are her boyfriend(who can't judge her as a friend) and her manager,assistant and life coach...Which are employees.They can't say "you suck",even if they believe it.

(to clarify it;i don't say she is not a good friend,for i don't know her.I only say that no one can say such things about him/herself.)

The same goes for music.Britney Spears may actually believe that she rules as a singer,but that's hardly the truth.
And it's known that artists have pretty much egos...The best thing they can do is hide it.
Going around and telling others that you are a good composer,full of ideas and all that stuff doesn't help at all.

"I couldn't define why this was happening - one time liking her, next time not liking her."

That's very weird,this happened to me too.One time hating a performance,one other thinking that's good.
But that's a problem;Nightwish is supposed to be a top band,and they need a frontwoman(since they say they want a female voice and not just Marco) to give some hell of performances,not just "good".
And that means:
-good,loyal interpretation of a song---not things like "yeeiiiiaaa".
-energetic,mind-blowing live performance that delivers the certain atmosphere of these songs that are mostly love songs or songs about nature and not bubble gums.
-metal attitude(ok,this is dead long time now...)

@Tainted

"She seems to be spending a lot more time writing in her blog than writing lyrics."

That happens because:
1)she already had melodies and ideas ready even before joining NW.she joined NW just to get what she needed for her solo career----oops,album.
2)she actually does nothing.These guys do all the work,the only thing she does is sending them some "sounds" and ideas and approving what they make.
Eventually,if she's such a good composer with lots of ideas,what does she needs these guys for?

I only feel sorry about those guys,they will eventually get what they always get:just a reference in the album credits and no recognition at all.Just notice:the pic of them Anette posted doesn't even show their faces.

Legeon wrote on 25.10.2009 at 00:23
@Sin

I think that the demo versions with Marco were recorded before Anette joining the band...Just as a guide line for the upcoming singer...

Although i find it strange too that they released a full album with their song in instrumental version...Especially too soon.
Remember that from Once we only have Ghost Love Score,Nemo and Creek Mary's Blood in instrumental...And still,Nemo has vocals!
But i believe that these kinds of moves are pushed by the company...Like the cd version of End Of An Era,and also like this X-Mass box set.

Legeon wrote on 25.10.2009 at 00:50
@ Sin: I don't think there's anything to speculate about in that respect, really. The idea of an instrumental version of a CD was around since the time of 'Once' They had made an instrumental version of that album as well but didn't release it to the general public. They only sent it off to movie producers for consideration. With DPP they decided to include the instrumental version, though, for everyone to hear.

?While your lips are red? was originally only Tuo's song. It was written for a movie and the director for said movie had another vocalist in mind but then he heard Marco singing the demo and liked it. Neither Jukka nor Emppu were ever involved in it, I don't think.

"Erämaan Viimeinen" I have no idea about. Was it even released as a Nightwish song? Or did Tuo just let Jonsu sing on her own version? Personally, I like the instrumental that they have on DPP loads better.

The demo versions of the DPP songs with Marco were recorded before Anette even joined up, though I really have no clue why they decided to release those. As much as I cringe when I listen to Anette screaming her way through 'Romanticide', listening to Marco trying to hit the higher notes of 'Amaranth' is that much worse for me. He's a great singer, don't get me wrong, it's just not his preferred vocal range.

As for the tribute song... Maybe they just thought that having Marco sing would be more fitting? I don't know, this one I can't give a concrete explanation to. You would think, though, that with all of the publicity that Anette is throwing around about Pain, Rasmus, and her solo work, she might have mentioned something about the tribute song on her blog. But no, it doesn't concern her that the band that she is supposed to care about is doing a tribute to a great Finnish artist. It's like she doesn't even know about it. Hmm....

Tainted~ wrote on 25.10.2009 at 00:52
@Sin
Nice post again. But you are lucky devil, cause I personally couldn't really like those interpretations of old songs, as her voice still fails to sing them properly, she just tries to compensate all that with her variations, interpretations, yodel, shouts, whatever, but they don't actually fit in, that's weak and it changes the songs so much, that it is really painful. I agree about magic and right mood, they like totally gone. :( Actually I was very troubled when I see that she does that live with some of DPP songs as well (I mean all those weird sounds she makes when she sings live even the songs which are not that hard) :(

And actually I agree that Nightwish recently did and released too much material without the participation of their lead singer, and thought it is mostly explainable, like Tainted did it, there is something to ring a bell here and something not likeable.
For example, think of DPP itself, out of 11 tracks on it: one song is entirely sung by Marco (MPG), one is almost entirely sung by Marco and Anette does only some backing vocals at the very end of the song (The Islander) and one is pure instrumental (Last of the Wilds). Of course you can find explanations for it as well, but such things never happened with their old albums, I mean Tarja never did only small backing vocals or didn't sing at all in the song (yes, there was one instrumental - Moondance on "Oceanborn", but on other tracks from that album Tarja did sing). And for example, they now sing Wishmaster live quite often in duet, I mean both Marco and Anette sing it! What the....That looks like that Marco just tries to cover Olzon's inability to perfrom that song properly.

All in all that forms a picture in which Anette doesn't look and isn't felt like the lead singer. For a band which had quite strong lead female singer such situation is pretty much awful, specially since NW still tries to pose the things that they want female singer as the lead, not Marco :(

"Erämaan Viimeinen" was released as Nightwish feat. Jonsu song :) It is Nightwish song, just with Jonsu on vocals.

"While your lips are red" is recorded with Tuomas on keyboards, Marco on vocals and Jukka on drums. The whispering in the background is done by Tuomas also.

Yeah, I also find it funny that Anette likes to stress several times her duets with Rasmus or Pain and etc. and she did that several times before and then after the release of those songs and videos on them, but she didn't pay so much attention to that NW tribute to this Finnish artist :)

Ron wrote on 25.10.2009 at 18:35
@ Legion: Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if what you said is true.

@ Ron: You raise a good point, actually. I've been noticing lately that Marco has been singing a ton more. On MPG they had him sing because they didn't want Anette to have to sing about something that she wasn't even involved in (besides, I really don't think she would've fit the mood of the song), and for 'Islander' the music was written by Marco so I guess Tuo just let him sing it as well.

BUT... As the DPP tour has gone on, I've noticed that more and more Marco started singing on songs that he was never supposed to sing on. He started doing backing vocals on pretty much all of the songs that they performed. I've realized that at the parts where he has decided to sing, Anette sounds really weak on. It's almost as if he thinks ?Crap, she sounds weak. Let me try and salvage this thing.? and starts singing along. So maybe they've already been realizing that she's not fit for their sound? Or at least Marco is.

Tainted~ wrote on 25.10.2009 at 20:41
@Tainted

Yeah, nice points, only about this one:

"On MPG they had him sing because they didn't want Anette to have to sing about something that she wasn't even involved in"

Well, she sang parts on BBB, didn't she, but she also wasn't involved in it, meaning in their relationships with Turunen and she didn't know her personally :)

"for 'Islander' the music was written by Marco so I guess Tuo just let him sing it as well. "

Well, music in WBTN is written entirely by Emppu, but it is Olzon who sang it :) Still, I remember that it was Marco who asked to sing The Islander almost all by himself or smth like that:) But that is the illustration to what I said, that Olzon was somehow treated like second-voice in the band almost from the start (cause that wasn't possible with their first vocalist, just to ask her to do some backing vocals a little bit at the end of the song - it was never like this before) :)

Ron wrote on 25.10.2009 at 21:31
Ron said: "But you are lucky devil, cause I personally couldn't really like those interpretations of old songs, as her voice still fails to sing them properly, she just tries to compensate all that with her variations, interpretations, yodel, shouts, whatever, but they don't actually fit in, that's weak and it changes the songs so much, that it is really painful."

Yeah, I think so too. Hearing her first interpretations that were simpler, I found them decent enough; maybe she wasn't as good as the songs demanded but at least she tried. She might have been bad, but she tried. She didn't know the songs, she was thrown in a huge tour without even having the time to realize it, well she has many excuses for the beginning. I think that from a point and on, she gained too much confidence in her singing abilities and that's where all the ugly distortions started to happen. To be fair, I think her voice is decent on its own. Not demanding songs like The Rasmus song fit her voice, she sounds much more comfortable singing that type of music, I find her singing pleasant to the ear. But overall, I think she's a mediocre singer. Nothing bad with that, but the music of Nightwish is so powerful and majestic that it's vital that the singer is someone who has total control over what she's singing, someone with majestic voice as well. And it's not about being a classical singer or not, it's about having a powerful voice that will however come out naturally, not like you scream your lungs out like Anette does. Anneke of The Gathering doesn't sing classical yet her voice is a beauty to listen to, and she can sing everything, lower notes, higher notes, whatever you give her, as naturally as speaking.

I was listening to Simone Simons, in Unleashed. It is amazing how this girl can control and handle her voice, in that song she sings so many different styles, she sings smoothly, rockish, even operatic at the end, with such an ease - of course she's had classical training but in Martyr of the Free Word for example, she is singing with her non-operating voice and she is gorgeous - no yodellings, no beltings, no screamings, no useless vocalizing, you can hear a crystal-clear voice full of power that conveys in so much simplicity all that the songs say.

And you are absolutely right about Marco singing a lot more than before. Well if they are going to release another album with Anette, I hope that he sings even more in it (whole songs if possible).

Sin wrote on 25.10.2009 at 22:09
@Sin
Once again I find that I highly agree with you. The thing is that Anette's voice doesn't have that power to sing such songs like NW's. Plus, in my opinion she lacks the right approach to the songs themselves, you know, like understanding and feeling their mood, sense and things like that.
And I totally agree that it is not only about being classically-trained singer, and I also find Anneke a real awesome vocalist, with very rich and strong voice. She is great example :)
I also agree about Simone, specially seeing her obvious progress in singing lately, and her ability to use both classical and non-classical singing. BTW, another great example is Floor Jansen, she aslo can sing in classical and non-classical manner, quite easily, her voice is very powerful :)

And I also hope that Marco would sing more on the next album, as much as possible, since Anette stays in the band for next album. But in that case, if it happens, I hope that NW will admit that the situation really changed and won't pose Olzon as their "lead singer", cause even now she doesn't actually seem like one :( For the future I just wish NW to separate with Anette and find really strong good female singer with right approach, or just leave Marco on vocals alone.

Ron wrote on 25.10.2009 at 22:28
@ Ron: I've always wondered about BBB... To me it just seemed like they let Marco sing the angry parts and Anette got sidled with the two verses. I don't know. You might have a point there.

@ Sin: Ah, but remember... According to Anette's poem to herself: Her teachers and everyone who knew more about singing than she did told her to sing classical, but she thought she knew better and so she continued screaming. She never listened to anyone and did her own thing. Same as she doesn't listen to anyone now for any type of advice. She thinks she knows everything and that there isn't anymore to learn because her singing technique is perfect in her eyes. My question is: How can someone who doesn't listen to their teachers and elders and doesn't bother learning from them be good at what they do?

What bothers me is that in an interview Marco said that when they were holding the auditions there were a lot of great singers that were a little 'wet behind the ears'. They would need an album or two behind them and then they would be great. But the band needed someone who could just jump in and fit into the band. So... Why Anette? And why are we waiting for her to improve if she supposedly fit in from the beginning? She was improving, certainly, but then she turned around and started digging herself into a hole with all of this vocalizing that she does. Tuo said that he would write songs to fit her voice for the next album. I sure hope that he doesn't mean what I think he means....

As for Anette not seeming like the lead vocalist... She not, that's the thing. She puts herself out now as a Swedish vocalist. She sings for other bands and she sings on her solo album. Nightwish is just another paycheck for her. She hasn't acted like the face of Nightwish ever since she hired her manager. Now all she does is distance herself from the band, trying to show the world that she can go solo without the boys. Wonder why...

Eh... I'm off to do work and listen to something else. Have fun, guys.

Tainted~ wrote on 25.10.2009 at 22:53
Tuo didn't say that he will writes songs to fit Anette's voice, she did it. What i remember is that Tuo said he never will change his music just because singer can't hold it, it's not his problem so if Anette can't sings some parts it's her problem and she must deal with it or she's out.

Isabell wrote on 26.10.2009 at 12:08
@Tainted

"To me it just seemed like they let Marco sing the angry parts and Anette got sidled with the two verses. I don't know. You might have a point there. "

Don't forget that it is also her who whispers that line about being "blind" and "the gambler lost all he does not have" ;)

And I agree a lot with the rest of your post :)

@Isabell
So we have one version about creating songs to fit her "comfort zone" or something (and that's Anette's version) and we have another version (Tuomas's version) that he won't do that? Really funny.
But I just thought about this "comfort zone"- no matter if it was only Anette's words or Tuomas's words as well - it is kinda a proof that DPP material (not to mention old one) doesn't really fit her in full and is not really comfortable for her to sing, not her real "comfort zone". And so she needs something easier. Now that is really amusing :)

Ron wrote on 27.10.2009 at 01:09
Isabell said that 'Tuo didn't say that he will writes songs to fit Anette's voice, she did it. What i remember is that Tuo said he never will change his music just because singer can't hold it, it's not his problem so if Anette can't sings some parts it's her problem and she must deal with it or she's out.'

I hope you are right regarding Tuomas not being willing to make any changes in his music just because Anette's range is insufficient. Can you remember when he said so or where?

You are right as far as Anette's comment goes, it was her saying that but I forget where I saw that. I wonder if there's any truth in it. Does anybody know for sure??

Wayfarer wrote on 27.10.2009 at 16:09
Anette said it in the intreview when she was going to sing Meadows with orchestra oh this one herpes. As to Tuo i don't remember if it was when Tarja was still in NW or later.

Isabell wrote on 28.10.2009 at 10:52
"Anette said it in the intreview when she was going to sing Meadows with orchestra oh this one herpes. As to Tuo i don't remember if it was when Tarja was still in NW or later."

Hm, so it is not clear if he said it long ago or recently :)
But what made Olzon think that he would write songs to fit her "comfort zone"? She has it only in her head? Weird.

Ron wrote on 28.10.2009 at 21:03
@ Ron, who said: Hm, so it is not clear if he said it long ago or recently :)
But what made Olzon think that he would write songs to fit her "comfort zone"? She has it only in her head? Weird.

Yes, that's what I'd like to know, if that has any reality basis or validity. Or do we have to wait until the next album comes out to hear if it's different from what NW's music is and used to be. If it's going mainstream or turning into something that's closer to Anette's comfort zone or 'poppish', I'm not going to buy the album. That would suck big time cause I really love Tuomas' music as it's been up till now. Well, not DPP as much as the earlier ones...

Wayfarer wrote on 28.10.2009 at 23:21
@Wayfarer

Yeah, since I understood that it was Anette who claimed that Tuomas would write songs which would fit her "comfort zone" ( I take it, that it is a fact that she said all that), then it is really interesting to know why she was so sure about that :) Probably because Tuomas told her so... Otherwise, it means, that she lies or makes up and sees things :)

Besides, next album probably will continue to go mainstream, since it was the problem of DPP already :(

Ron wrote on 29.10.2009 at 00:30
Ah, maybe if I have some time this weekend I'll search through some old interviews and try to find the direct quotes. I do remember Tuo commenting somewhere about the fact that when he was writing DPP he didn't know what kind of a voice he was composing the music for and that after touring with Anette he knows her vocal capabilities so he will be able to use that when he writes the next album. I just can't remember what interview it was in... Or was this just the fans talking and I somehow got it all mixed up?.... O.O

If it wasn't the fans, then Tuo has definitely changed his opinions quite a bit in that respect. In their book they actually talked about how he used to compose vocal melodies that were in too high a range for Tarja to be able to sing. She would tell them that she couldn't do it and they would just tell her to do it regardless until she would be breaking down into tears over it. So I'm pretty much guessing that whatever interview you guys are talking about happened before Tarja got fired?

Oh... Right... One thing that sticks out in my mind that he said about the next album: There will be a big twist to it, it will cost a lot of money, and it will be a big dream come true for them. No idea what that means... Anyone?.... And again, I'll get direct quotes if I have the time later.

As for Anette's "comfort zone".... Yeah, she's talked about that quite a bit herself. About her solo album she also said: "I am trying to show the different styles of my voice and here I can use it differently than in Nightwish since I make the melodies to suit me."

Sooo.... She basically admitted the fact that the Nightwish songs don't suit her so at least we're in agreement of that. This makes me a happy camper.

Tainted~ wrote on 29.10.2009 at 09:51
Tainted~ said:

"I do remember Tuo commenting somewhere about the fact that when he was writing DPP he didn't know what kind of a voice he was composing the music"

This is link old interview

http://www.eaglescry.de/Articles/NWHR0807.php

Tuomas says

"You already had all the tracks written before Anette came in, did you have to make many changes to fit her voice?
We didn?t have to change anything. I wrote the songs in the same scale as I would have done for Tarja, because the new singer had to fit to the old songs as well."

Terry wrote on 29.10.2009 at 10:50
But it doesn't really matter when he said that, i'm sure it wasn't sooo long ago. Important is that he will not change his mind just because Anette can't sings and because she has weak voice she will has special treatment so NW will has to be more mainstream.

Isabell wrote on 29.10.2009 at 12:29
Terry wrote:

"Tuomas says

"You already had all the tracks written before Anette came in, did you have to make many changes to fit her voice?
We didn?t have to change anything. I wrote the songs in the same scale as I would have done for Tarja, because the new singer had to fit to the old songs as well.""

That's strange, because she does not fit the old songs at all. Could it be possible that he didn't realize which were Anette's limits? And if it was like this, why did they still play old songs too hard for Anette to sing when they realized that? Only if they don't realize they made a mistake hiring Anette... and to be honest, I really think they don't realize it.

Kiri wrote on 29.10.2009 at 13:00
Thanks, Terry! Not sure if that's the quote I was thinking of, but like I said... Might have been talk from the fans who were trying to defend Anette at the time and I mistook it for Tuo's words.

@ Kiri: As we were discussing a little ways up, that might be why Marco started singing on practically every song that they ever play in concert - to try and cover up Anette's weak voice....

Tainted~ wrote on 29.10.2009 at 14:39
Thx all for your comments!:-)

Ron said: Besides, next album probably will continue to go mainstream, since it was the problem of DPP already :(

I think the music in itself wasn't very mainstream yet, but Anette's singing was and that sets the tone for the whole album, and so DPP does sound kinda mainstream because vocals are so important.

In the next album, maybe the music will follow Anette's singing and also go mainstream. :( Just to suit Anette's abilities. That would be too bad for NW since there are about a zillion mainstream bands around. The sales of DPP were aided by NW's glorious past, but when the next album comes out, they will be on their own with Anette as the front woman.

Tainted said: Oh... Right... One thing that sticks out in my mind that he said about the next album: There will be a big twist to it, it will cost a lot of money, and it will be a big dream come true for them. No idea what that means... Anyone?....

I hadn't heard about that 'twist' before. Yes, what can that mean?? What's their big dream, has anyone heard them say anything about their dreams? Tuomas has mentioned that one of his dreams is composing music for movies. Some of his songs have already contained some movie-music kinda tones.

Wayfarer wrote on 29.10.2009 at 15:07
"We didn't have to change anything. I wrote the songs in the same scale as I would have done for Tarja, because the new singer had to fit to the old songs as well."

That's not true, unfortunately. I remember that it was said that they changed vocal line of "Sahara" to fit Anette more, made it more simple or smth - I remember it was mentioned before here on MFF already :( And also Anette doesn't fit the old songs and, as Tainted say, we see why Marco came forward in singing a lot more.

"Sooo.... She basically admitted the fact that the Nightwish songs don't suit her so at least we're in agreement of that."

Yes, seems like that - since she herself told that about "comfort zone". But what made her tell and think that - her own understanding that current NW material actually is not in her "comfort zone" or it was Tuomas who promised her to write songs "in comfort zone" to fit her? That's the point. Really would be interesting to find out where from she got that idea :)

@Wayfarer
Unfortunately music on DPP, not all, but a lot of it already is quite mainstream-like, even without taking Anette's singing in account :( That's also a part of the problem. So the future NW album, with "twist" or without "twist" is very questionable, cause the path NW took is not quite decent one.

Ron wrote on 29.10.2009 at 20:34
@Ron

Yes, that's correct, many of DPP's songs don't qualify as metal but are completely mainstream. I hardly ever listen to DPP and those songs practically never; so that's unfortunately true, just like you said.

Wayfarer wrote on 29.10.2009 at 23:43
Another thing Tuomas had said about the next album in an interview is as follows - so maybe there's a chance there might be changes in the lineup...??:

J: Do you have any ideas on the new album?
T: I have already started preparing some things. We have much time to work on the new album though. When all this comes to an end, we have to meet each other and discuss, to see who wants to stay in the band and who don?t. I hope everybody in the band understood that too.

Source: http://tuomas-oceansoul.blogspot.com/2009/03/entrevista-tuomas-metal-hammer-greek.html)

Wayfarer wrote on 30.10.2009 at 00:31
@Wayfarer
That interview is quite old news, it was from March.:)
So probably he could have changed his mind ever since already.
But maybe not, who knows, maybe he still keeps that in mind :) Interesting.

Ron wrote on 30.10.2009 at 01:29
@ Ron

;-)) Yes that is interesting. I read somewhere else (where this was referred to) that they had had temporary falling out or glitches. The question is, did those pass or is the problem longer term.

It would be nice if NW was aiming to get better, not letting themselves turn into a joke. :-)

It was from March, yes but in yet an earlier interview, given by him shortly after Anette was hired, he said it was like winning a lottery jackpot when they found her.

Wayfarer wrote on 30.10.2009 at 16:40
@Wayfarer

Well, time will tell, if it has passed or it is returning, long term thing.
But I think that they had too many "glitches" for a band that at the same tried to desperately look and act as "one happy family". That was kinda fake, specially when there were some hints in their interviews that not everything is a fairytale, like they tried to pose (or it was like this) it in the beginning.

Lol, so, judging by your quote, it is seen that he sort of changed his mind about "lottery jackpot" - not so much of a jackpot it has turned out to be :)

Yes, It would be really nice if NW was aiming to get better, but so far it is highly questionable and so far theyare pretty much going the path of turning into a joke. :(

Ron wrote on 30.10.2009 at 20:59
Aha, found it!

Tuomas said: "First of all, when it comes to music and Nightwish I have a huge dream and we are doing everything we can to fulfill it on the next album. I am going to be a bit mystical here because I can't reveal to you anymore, but there is going to be a big twist so to say on the next album. I just hope we can realize that because it is going to be the all time dream come true if we can pull it off. It is going to take alot of time, effort, work, and money. We will see what happens, I am really looking forward to it."

Full interview is here --> http://www.metalreviews.com/interviews/interviews.php?id=130

As for the quote that Wayfarer posted.. Yeah... I remember having a 'WTF' moment when I first read that interview. Apparently that interview was around the time that the band was in the midst of their stressful period, though. In recent interviews he's sounded a lot more positive so guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Tainted~ wrote on 01.11.2009 at 05:53
Wrathchild clearly cannot tell the difference between metal and punk.

I find it always fascinating how "peaceful", politically correct, bleeding-heart zealous animal-lovers like Arcana would rather murder human beings just because they feel bothered by them.

Sin: Actually Miss Olzon simply learned her lesson from Tuomas. He was the one who started declaring himself a genius who genuinely loves music (unlike certain other people) and DPP a masterpiece that everyone has to worship because he wrote it (well, part of it). (And of course any singer that Tuomas chooses must be good, because he can do no wrong.) She just replicated that attitude.

Evil Tarja, on the other hand, is going out of her way to emphasise that she does NOT expect people to like what she is doing.

I mentioned the same thought about lead vocalists on the thread about the tribute song. Even if he never wanted to be the lead singer of Nightwish, he has become the de facto true frontman and lead vocalist by now and Anette more or less just a support vocalist, as disposable as a female vocalist in Sirenia. She is not a strong lead female singer and frontwoman at all, in no sense.

Good points about Anneke - I like her voice a lot (I only know Nighttime Birds really) even though I normally prefer classical-oriented female singers -, and Simone has gained lots of respect from me lately; Floor seems to be a BIG influence on her, in fact she sounds REALLY similar sometimes.

Tainted~: Guys, Tuomas actually DID change (simplify) the vocal line to "Sahara" because Anette couldn't handle the original one. It's mentioned in the diary about the DPP recording sessions on the Nightwish website.

Kiri: Tuomas didn't know Tarja's limitations either, so why should he pay heed to Anette's?

Ron: That was me, mentioning "Sahara", obviously, since I just mentioned it again.

Wayfarer: I agree. (Already on Eva, Anette does some of the useless yodelling, BTW.) When I listened to the samples, I was shocked how soft and bland they sounded; if they hadn't sounded as bland, and the lyrics hadn't sounded as ridiculous, and if I hadn't read other fans' opinions voicing their disappointment about the musical direction and songwriting as well as the vocals I'd have given the music more of a chance, and put up with Anette, and listened through the damn thing. But being as it was, I just had to assume that the rest of the album was no better than the samples, that in fact the samples contain some of the most interesting bits, and I couldn't be assed to bother and risk annoying earworms with a voice, lyrics, and melodies I couldn't stand.

I feel no inclination to find myself involutarily humming along crappy anti-Tarja songs just because they happen to be catchy. (I've still got those damn melodies from the samples in my head, after all those years, I remember them note for note, but at least they don't come along unwanted.) I just don't care. I get earworms easily and that's why I avoid anything Anette does like the plague. So there may be some songs that I'd actually like buried somewhere on DPP, or some song whose interpretation through Anette I like, but I really can't be assed to find out. I'm not that masochist. :-p

So even though I strongly suspect that the songwriting on DPP is far from being masterpiece-worthy and does not nearly live up to the hype I haven't been able to form an opinion from actually listening to the music myself.

Almagest wrote on 01.11.2009 at 07:42
@Tainted

Thanks for interview :) I really do not know what to think about this "twist" thing and what he means. But judging by the direction they are taking...I'm really not so positive about the upcoming album...:(

And about that March interview, the problem with Tuomas is that he changes his position a lot,like first everything was perfect with Anette for them,almost ideal,he claimed it a lot, then problems started, but first they denied them, then they finally admitted that not everything was so perfect, and now he again is trying to switch into that "everything is perfect again" mode as I understand. Not to mention that I remember how in 2004 (or a bit earlier)he said that practically their first singer was NW (or played very important part in band) and if she would leave, it would be the end for NW and some time later we all know that he started to say that she wasn't that important for band and must leave and band could do without her.

So I don't know actually when he is speaking the truth or when he is just trying to save his and NW's face :)

Ron wrote on 01.11.2009 at 16:56
@ Almagest: I don't think it was 'Sahara'... I just looked up the diary on their site and she's actually referring to 'Whoever Brings the Night' when she talks about changing melodies. Here's the entry:

"This day we had a song that Emppu has done the music for and Tuomas the lyrics. When I first sang this for the demo-recordings it was quite weird and hard to sing, because of its melody, that are very up and down....but Tuomas had a moment of deep thinking and then he asked me to sing more straight instead, changing the melody, and it turned out so cool... I think this song is the weirdest, but at the same time, so great in it's beat and melody..."

Makes me wonder what the original melody was like. It had never been my favorite song on the album but maybe it just suffered because of the change of the vocal lines.

Tainted~ wrote on 01.11.2009 at 18:21
@Tainted, thx for the quote concerning the 'twist'. That was sort of funny :-) and it's hard to figure out what it can possibly refer to. Maybe it's partly hype to create interest in the album.

@Almagest

Yes, Anette's voice is OK in that it has nice colour. It would just be better suited for some other type of music. It's like she's in the wrong band. Maybe she knows it too, even if subconsciously, and could well be looking for other options or some other band to join in the future. Or maybe even a solo career. At least all that's come to light and said here would seem to point in that direction a little bit as many of her interests seem to lie elsewhere than in the metal world of music.:-)

Maybe that's one reason why Tuomas was keen to find out which of them want to stay in the band...;-)) After all, there was that deja-vu moment happening at one point...;-))

Wayfarer wrote on 01.11.2009 at 19:37
MFF staff, where is my post? I don't see it, but I posted it a long time ago today? :(

Ron wrote on 01.11.2009 at 21:26
Tainted~: Thank you for looking it up, I was just too lazy - oops, so I misremembered the song. Anyway, I got the basic idea right. Perhaps the song was more interesting before the change of the vocal line indeed.

Wayfarer: The one singer in the genre that Anette reminded me most of is Sharon. Unfortunately I can't stand Sharon's voice either and NW are just going down the way into commercial bliss that WT have already been on for a longer time.

Almagest wrote on 03.11.2009 at 06:42
@Almagest

You're right about WT. Their latest new album was such a letdown to me that I stopped listening to them. Too ordinary. But their previous albums were much better in my opinion.

Still, I cannot compare Anette's singing to that of Sharon...;-))

Wayfarer wrote on 03.11.2009 at 19:15
I am mainly talking about Anette's voice on the album, especially "Eva". I realise that it is heavy processed. But that's the comparison that came up first in my mind when I heard her voice for the first time. And some people have said that DPP is on the standard of mid-era WT to them: not as bad as their newer stuff, but still generic softie symphonic "metal" with strong pop leanings. The kind of "easy" music that people immediately like, but repeated listenings don't reveal any more layers to the music. I thought that the comparison sounded fitting keeping in mind what I'd heard.

Almagest wrote on 04.11.2009 at 00:10
@Almagest

Yeah, you have a point with that "easy" music. Not that far from elevator music. I've heard WT's second latest album been played a lot in department stores. Easy listening. I fear NT is headed in the same ditch.

Wayfarer wrote on 04.11.2009 at 15:57
No problem, guys :)

Almagest said: "The kind of "easy" music that people immediately like, but repeated listenings don't reveal any more layers to the music. I thought that the comparison sounded fitting keeping in mind what I'd heard."

I won't argue the fact that DPP is more easy listening to than the previous albums (there really is no arguing that...) but... I have listened to it many times and there are a lot of layers in the songs. Especially when you listen to the instrumental versions, you pick out a lot more background melodies that get buried under layers upon layers of other instruments. If it's anything, it's probably a bit too much, actually.

I do agree with you guys, though. The songs are going in a mainstream direction. Tuo, himself, had said that DPP has been a success in terms of being able to reach a more vast audience (a.k.a. those who wouldn't even think of listening to metal). Heck, my mom fell in love with them when she heard PaTP and she hates anything with drums. Err... She used to anyways, until NW came along.

Unfortunately, the band seems to think this is a good thing because they can reach more people and get more people into metal. Act as a gateway for a transition, if you will. The problem is that they're basically committing commercial suicide to do this. I have a feeling that the next album will be the deciding factor. They can take this new fame and make something of it, create amazing music like they used to and improve again. Or... They can keep going down the road that they are going now and completely lose what they were all about.

Tainted~ wrote on 04.11.2009 at 21:49
@Tainted~

With their current direction and with singer like Olzon they'll likely to keep going the same road they'are walking now :(

Ron wrote on 05.11.2009 at 00:41
Tainted~: Just a few thoughts: I wonder if all those layers upon layers of melodies were really all written by Tuomas himself. I just can't help wondering what role Pip Williams had in the process of creating all that. Also, I wonder if they are really all of "compositional worth", so to say, meaning if there are really new ideas or if they are just repetition mostly. Moreover, are they in the "normal version", too? Ultimately, I wonder if they are not pointless anyway. Tristania are renowned for making intricately layered music in their first few albums that is not at all particularly catchy or easy-listening but has a fascinating atmosphere and feels worthy of being listened over and over. Anyway, Tuomas's followers are quick to point out that complexity does not equal good music ... :-p

Almagest wrote on 07.11.2009 at 02:15
Anyway ... it simply feels lazy and dishonest to cram all the complexity in a rock album to what ultimately are the parts of guest artists (and live, backing tapes) that your band happens to be able to afford because it is commercially very successful. I don't like this tendency in the genre at all, it feels like a cop-out. In other words, outsourcing of musicianship. I think it is more challenging (but possible) and interesting to write accessible music where the band itself has complex parts.

Almagest wrote on 07.11.2009 at 02:26
@ Ron: Well aren't you a ray of sunshine :) kidding... But yeah, I'm not holding out too much hope for the next album. I'll probably give it a shot but really... not much hope there unless they replace her.

@ Almagest: I agree with you, actually. Like I said, if it's anything, it's probably too much. The melodies are nice and in my opinion they are worth it, it's just hard to pick them out and I don't know if they're in the original versions. It's hard to tell and I don't really listen to them anymore.

As far as Tuo vs. Pip and who wrote what, Tuo has never denied that Pip has written the orchestral arrangements. Tuo wrote down the basic melodies, Pip basically added and arranged everything else. Sad, really. I would also like to hear more of the actual band and less of the orchestra. It's one of my hopes for the next album.

Tainted~ wrote on 08.11.2009 at 22:16
So, just to clarify - those "hidden" melodies were added by Pip? Or did Tuomas really write every single note, as others have claimed? Because to my understand of "arranging", those "hidden" melodies are added by arrangeurs (partially according to certain principles such as counterpoint that are to some extent mechanical and predictable, but according to what I've read, there is quite some creative achievement involved and arrangers do write parts of their own to fill out the score), the melodies are assigned to certain instruments, etc., and the compositions are very basic before that and don't sound particularly good, certainly not like a film soundtrack. Other members of the band have said that when Tuomas played the rough versions of the songs from his synthesizer, they could not imagine the sound of the final versions.

Even if Tuomas had a particular "sound" in his mind (or certain ideas) that doesn't mean that he exactly knows how to create it (or them), or how to integrate the orchestra's parts with the band's parts. Tarja said she knew what she wanted the songs to sound like, too, and I understand James Dooley and Mel Wesson did essentially the same for Tarja as Pip did for Tuomas.

Of course Tuomas never denied Pip's contribution, but he never really explained in detail what he does and certainly didn't make a fuss about it, so that many fans still act as if his work is fully comparable to that of a classical or soundtrack composer; but arrangement, to my understanding, is a central part of making music, its success and the impression of "how awesome!" generated with the audience. Classical composers and composers of soundtracks generally do the arrangements for their works as well and don't limit themselves to an outline.

Almagest wrote on 09.11.2009 at 23:59

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