NIGHTWISH Singer Anette Olzon Reveals Writing Partners For Solo Album

22.10.2009

NIGHTWISH singer Anette Olzon has revealed the names of her writing partners that she is composing with for her as-yet-untitled solo album which should emerge in late 2010.

"My co-writer Johan Glössner and Stefan Örn are the best," she says in an update from Stockholm, Sweden where the trio are putting together the new material. "They are incredibly talented and the ideas they do are just amazing and they are so humble and sweet guys. Its a blessing to work with these boys."

Olzon revealed yesterday that she wants "10 or 11 songs" for the album. "Its good if we have at least 15 - 16 to choose from when that day comes," she added.

More news as it develops.

Source: Bravewords.com

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I dont know who the hell are those guys... But the chances are that they are way more talented than the PMS Princess. But it doesnt matter, cuz its gonna suck big time.

Oh and Tero I have a question
¿MFF doesnt know if Nightwish Its going to release a DVD from their final show on the Hartwall Areena?

Ragnarök wrote on 23.10.2009 at 00:37
It has to be ver creepy having to work next to this!!!
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2668/221/3/1151140949/n1151140949_425955_1281396.jpg

Ragnarök wrote on 23.10.2009 at 03:30
LOL @ Ragnarok!! that is frightening! xD

Svanhvit wrote on 23.10.2009 at 09:06
I guess you have seen the premiere of the video for October and April yesterday on www.therasmus.com

I should say that I was very relieved that those tow (Princess and Anette) were not cuddling... in fact, they were not on the same screen at all...

Though, the white dress Princess was wearing was I think the one from the Apocalyptica video.. this time not worn by a young girl, though,

but by somebody who looked to me as 5O years old ... let me put it this way, Madonna looked younger to me.

Why on Earth was necessary to show the swollen face of her... well, I do not understand.

Lauri looked good.

That is it.

mermaid wrote on 23.10.2009 at 09:37
DEB:

this is video on Princess blog

http://anette-olzon.blogspot.com/

mermaid wrote on 23.10.2009 at 09:39
The video of October and April was the most boring video I've ever seen. xD

Zwergenkönig wrote on 23.10.2009 at 11:20
Sorry, Zwergenkönig,

not MY fault.

mermaid wrote on 23.10.2009 at 12:23
DEB:
"Friday, 23 October 2009
Friday song;=)

Ok guys, today it will be some pop and dance in here;=)

We have a girl from Sweden, Agnes, who won Idols a couple of years ago and now she´s our new big dance star. She has topped the English charts and now she is no 1 in US dance billboard charts. Big big congratulations Agnes! You go girl;=)

Party, party;=) Its friday guys!!!

Posted by Anette Olzon at 11:07 0 comments

Slow morning

Oh, I was up to late last night and then woke up early again with songs in the head;=) I feel like some music addict at the moment. But that´s nice.

Thanks for all the nice comments about October and April and the video. Someone wanted me to tell a bit about the making of it, how it was to work with the green screen etc, so here we go:

With Amaranth, Bye bye and Islander, it was working in the present and acting together. With this video it was all different. Me and Lauri only had one scene together and that is the last one, where I put my hand on his cheek. Other than that it was only our own walking scenes in different stages.

I am used to run on a tread mill but this one was painted green and nothing to hold on to, so the balance was a bit hard to hold. Also we recorded the video in "double-speed" and that made it harder too. Walking fast, trying to think of walking in New York when all is a studio environment with nothing but green;=) well, it was a bit hard.

I like the video and think the guys have made a great job with it. The result is beautiful=)

I still prefer to do more "live-shot" videos since it feels more natural, but it was nice to learn about this way of making videos too;=)
Posted by Anette Olzon at 10:49"

mermaid wrote on 23.10.2009 at 12:26
TR isn't so bad, very nice dark part and special effects like from Harry Potter;) and that's it. rest is a shit.

Isabell wrote on 23.10.2009 at 12:28
this is the Apocalyptica video I was talking about....

and as you see one generation of differences between women in white dresses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjPTtf5NnTQ&feature=related

mermaid wrote on 23.10.2009 at 13:09
@Svanhvit

Yeah.

I don't know what is more frightening: the grandma face, the weird red nose, her expression, or the lazy eye.

It makes you lose you appetite...

Ragnarök wrote on 23.10.2009 at 18:35
Crapnette talks about the co writers of her album/crap, as if they're working with her because of her talent and charisma...
Well, I've got news for you Nettie: you're paying them, so they don't give a shit about you and your stupid dreams, they're just doing their job... (which must be like a torture nowadays...)

Who? wrote on 23.10.2009 at 19:06
"They are incredibly talented and the ideas they do are just amazing and they are so humble and sweet guys. Its a blessing to work with these boys."

Does Princess hint that they are so mcuh better than Mr. Holopainen? :)

Ragnarök, thanks for photo, I'm sick now cause of it:)

And that video with Rasmus was so simple and boring, really they could use better idea for that.

Ghost opera wrote on 23.10.2009 at 20:21
Ragnarok said: "It has to be ver creepy having to work next to this!!!
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2668/221/3/1151140949/n1151140949_425955_1281396.jpg"

Warning! Warning! Botox alert! All evacuate immediately! :-p

TheSeer wrote on 24.10.2009 at 00:09
Who? said: "Crapnette talks about the co writers of her album/crap, as if they're working with her because of her talent and charisma...
Well, I've got news for you Nettie: you're paying them, so they don't give a shit about you and your stupid dreams, they're just doing their job... (which must be like a torture nowadays...) "

I guess she must be used to this kind of musicianship, because she is singing in Nightwish JUST because she's paid for that..although she's not doing her job well. I wonder how long Maestro & co. will put up with her.

Moonchild wrote on 24.10.2009 at 10:31
I am wondering now guys...Think:

She is SOOOOOO talented,full of ideas and experienced in song wrtiting(as she said about Alyson Avenue),but she has co-writers.

She is soooo humble and modest and down-to-earth,but she has assistants and managers and life-coaches.

She is sooo naturally beautiful and thin,but she buys all those cosmetic products(so many that you have to have about 1000 faces to use them all) and sports clothing...

She is sooo busy with "resting" and working on her solo album but she still posts 5 times per day in her blog...And when she doesn't,she writes double posts the next day!

She is sooo full of "piece" and "love" and "kindness" but she refers to people that don't like her and dare to speak as "haters"...

What the hell is going on???

ps.About the photo...Dear God...And even more "dear god" if you think that she said that one of the things she mostly likes about her is her "little red nose"...

Legeon wrote on 24.10.2009 at 18:47
ooops sorry,i spelled "piece" for "peace"...i really must stop reading her blog :P

Legeon wrote on 24.10.2009 at 19:08
@ Laegon

You said: ooops sorry,i spelled "piece" for "peace"...i really must stop reading her blog :P

Your absolutely right!!! That blog has to be forbbiden for the sake of mankind... or at least for children cuz i bet that it traumatize them worst than porno 0_o

Ragnarök wrote on 25.10.2009 at 00:09
Moonchild:

TuomAss will keep Chucky Olzon in the band as long as they still sell records. The day they become unpopular, Holopainen will find cultural differences with swedish people, and Nettie will be a diva that was destroying the band, so he'll have no choice and an open letter will put an end to that painfull situation.
That's how it works for TuomAss... XD

Who? wrote on 25.10.2009 at 02:42
@Who?

You said:
TuomAss will keep Chucky Olzon in the band as long as they still sell records. The day they become unpopular, Holopainen will find cultural differences with swedish people, and Nettie will be a diva that was destroying the band, so he'll have no choice and an open letter will put an end to that painfull situation.
That's how it works for TuomAss... XD

Mhhh Not necessarily... remember that Once was their best selling album before they let Tarja go. We can only hope that the PMS Princess puts her solo career before Nightwish... and then Tuomas will fire her. Thats why I hope that the PMS princess album becomes successfull

So one day this Nightmare called Anette Olzon comes to and end...

Ragnarök wrote on 25.10.2009 at 03:32
@Who?
Hahah, LOL mainly at TuomAss xD
Hmm..this way I bet the next NW album will be the last one for her...maybe TuomAss is planning to use the next firing letter as lyrics for one of the upcoming songs...very inspiring ^^

Moonchild wrote on 25.10.2009 at 10:00
"Mhhh Not necessarily... remember that Once was their best selling album before they let Tarja go"

That's true, but Tarja told them she wanted to leave after their next album. So they were afraid they wouldn't be that succesful without Tarja and found a way to make it look like they didn't want her in the band anymore, got huge publicity, told the world they would keep making music and also made themselves look like innocent victims.
I don't think they would have kicked Tarja out if she wasn't going to leave anyway - but that's just my opinion, of course.

Earwen wrote on 25.10.2009 at 14:46
@Earwen

"I don't think they would have kicked Tarja out if she wasn't going to leave anyway"

Yeah I think thats true, cuz after this 4 years it seems that everything that was in that letter was a lie.

The fan loving, down to earth, cheerfull, is Tarja shes the professional artist.

Not that self centered, smug, and talentless PMS old witch. If Tuomas was telling the true in the letter he would be looking for a new singer right now!!!! Tarja wanted to do her solo career after nine years and six albums with the band, the Pms Princess is going solo only after 2 years and one album with the band. 0_o

Tuomas we need an explanation please!!!!

Ragnarök wrote on 25.10.2009 at 15:47
@earwen

I don't believe that...I think they would fire her anyway,even if she wanted or not.
The reason they fired her is because she started to wake up.She started to become professional and understand her rights and demand what's rightfully hers.(Marcelo played a part in this,informing her about her rights)
What they say about Tarja wanting more money-i honestly believe it.But not as greed,but her wanting a fair share,which they denied her.
Also about her wanting larger venues-i believe that too.But not because she was too puffed up or anything-she has played smaller venues the last too years anyway-but for another reason.It may seem stupid,but i think it's right:small venues don't have changing rooms.I know,it sounds insignificant,but remember that Tarja is an artist that gives much importance in her stage presence,and changing outfits is a part of it.Being a solo artist makes it easier to demand a separate changing room than when you are in a band.

So,she started to wake up and demand what was rightfully hers,they didn't like it.She also gathered all the attention,especially from Marco.
Just see the promotional photos from End Of An Era after they fired her-it's Tuomas and Marco...Why?Marco was supposed to be just the bass player with some additional vocals.But no,they wanted him to be an almost full time singer of the band.That's why they hired a weak singer,that not only would not cover him,but make him look stronger.

Legeon wrote on 25.10.2009 at 16:09
And about the October and April video... It sucks!!
The Rasmus sucks!!! Anette looks like a potato in a dress from the 1920!!!! Awfull song, awfull video, awfull band.

Ragnarök wrote on 25.10.2009 at 16:12
Anette Olzon reveals her divish attitude :)
But when NW needs another PR to get attention to burst the sales, they'll get rid from her easily as well :) And maybe they'll hire Britney Spears after that, cause that would be a hell of PR and much more cash.

Esme wrote on 25.10.2009 at 17:57
Let Annette sing solo but for Heaven's sake, get her off Nightwish!!!!!!!!!!

Viking wrote on 25.10.2009 at 23:52
Ragnarök:

Tarja said that she will leave the band after 2007, so TuomAss thought: "It's now or never". He created a big scandal by firing her via open letter, destroying (or trying to) her public image, and then hired pop singer wannabe as the new vocalist. A singer which is so common and flat that will never steal attention from him or any other member in the band. A singer which is so common and flat, that all Avril Lavigne fans can get used to. Then, all you have to do is to get rid from your Stratovarius influences, go deeper on the Tokio Hotel side and that's it: your band hit the charts and sell more than one million copies... sad but true.
You also have to remember that Tarja was married and mister Shitopainen hated (for a very strange reason) Turunen's husband. So the thing was: TuomAss ideas were becoming old (Once was their less inspired and most reiterative work), the singer wants to leave (and plus: the main composer hates her husband), the future is uncertain... what's next to save your money maker? (or band, as you prefer...) yes, the answer is simple: gather all media attention and then go fake and commercial. At least, that's what TuomAss thought as the best solution... XD

Who? wrote on 26.10.2009 at 12:25
@legeon: I'm not sure about this, you may be right, but in my opinion, Tarja didn't start to wake up then, she already knew things went wrong after the Wishmaster tour, when Nightwish fell apart. After all, she had that meeting with Tuomas before they did the next album and they agreed on several things, like Marcelo being her manager and to do only - what was it, 3 shows? I don't remember - in a row. Later she also started travelling by plane instead of using the tour bus and so on. So I think she knew what she needed a long time before, but she stayed - maybe because she lacked the self confidence to start a solo career then, maybe because of some kind of sentimentality or loyalty for the band, maybe because Marcelo convinced her, I don't know - but mainly because she loved the music, in my opinion. I think Tarja paid a huge price for old Nightwish's music, but in the end she couldn't bear it any longer, since the guys didn't give her what she needed even though she had asked for it for a very long time. So she told them she'd finally leave after their next album. The guys hadn't been very happy with her wishes ? I agree with you on that - and, of course, with Marcelo, who probably worked very hard for her to get them, but they still knew she was responsible for much of Nightwish's success. I don't think they wanted her to leave, and when she told them she?d go, they were afraid they wouldn't be as successful as they were before - and then I guess what I wrote in my last post (and what Who? wrote in his last one, too, as I notice right now :D) happened.
Of course this doesn't mean I'm right, you might be, too, it's just what I make of all the information we have. But we'll never know ;-)

However, I think you're right with what you wrote about their jealousy. Tuomas and Marco both benefit from the split when it comes to media or fan attention, since they aren't overshadowed by Tarja anymore. And also remember End of Innocence, where Tuomas talks so much - very unusual - and Tarja's part is very small.

Earwen wrote on 26.10.2009 at 21:05
@earwen

I am not saying that Tarja announced to leave when she started to wake up-i'm saying that NW decided to fire her when she had already woken up,stood her ground and stole all the attention-especially from Marco.

I believe Tarja initially wanted to leave just to do her own thing,just like Bruce Dickinson.
BUT i believe that she started to demand what was hers only after Century Child,and during Once tour.
She had woken up during Wishmaster,but she started to demand after CC.

Remember that she started to travel by plane during Once tour-not earlier.
Also,all of Tuomas' accusations about her canceling shows or wanting more money were about shows during Once tour-not earlier.

What i mean is that i think that what Tuomas said in the letter about Tarja wanting more money,wanting bigger venues and traveling by plane are true;but the point is,that he willingly and on purpose exaggerated about them,and twisted them.
Instead of Tarja wanting more money just as a fair share,Tarja wanted more money because she was greedy.
Instead of Tarja wanting bigger venues in order to be able to perform well and give her best,Tarja wanted bigger venues because she was greedy,again.
Instead of Tarja traveling by plane to maintain her voice and shape(even Anette has complained about life on a tour bus),Tarja traveled by plane because she was a diva.

ps.Of course all that is just my opinion,like yours...We just try to explain things based on what we see and understand.

Legeon wrote on 26.10.2009 at 22:15
Hey children what have you done here!...UUUHH...same nasty pointless comments from same people all the time!Did you know that you don't know absolutely nothing and you talk too much...Don't you have anything else to do...find some hobby...get a life!Have you noticed...nothing has changed even this "pla pla" continues and believe me that Tarja and Nightwish with Anette knows exactly what they gonna do.There will be always people who like it and people who don't like it...The life is sometimes shit because you can't get what you want or wish...THIS IS LIFE...GET OVER IT!

MeToo wrote on 27.10.2009 at 01:30
Okay, I know I'm going a completely different direction than any of you are agreeing on, but here it is anyway. After listening to like every Nightwish song a billion times over, and reading many interviews with everyone, including Marcelo, AND reading the official biography a couple times over --- I have reached one conclusion. I think Tuomas was in love with Tarja. But it wasn't returned. I think Tuomas has the mentality of a like, 16 year old. No scratch that --- a 12 year old. I think that he had this unrequited obsession with her, that eventually led to him hating Marcelo and firing her. I think that Tarja was feeling alone, and hardly considered Tuomas the same way, and she ended up finding companionship in Marcelo --- and so she trusted him. I think that Marcelo did get a tad greedy, but no matter what he did, Tarja would have stood by him. I mean who else was she going to side with? She felt no real attachment with the rest of the band except maybe Emppu. She couldn't really relate to any of them. Then Marcelo made her see how much more she could have, and lured her with ideas of being a solo superstar. Tuomas then got all pissy about this, and when Marcelo had that "talk" with Tuomas about how he couldn't have Tarja, Tuomas freaked and then fired her. Marcelo agrees that this is the straw that broke the camels back.

Oh, and in relation to the article --- I'm not sure if Anette is implying these songwriters are anywhere near as good or even better than Tuomas, and if she is --- she has to be kidding herself.

Lexi wrote on 27.10.2009 at 08:52
@legeon
I don't really disagree with you, I only have a different point of view on some of the details. For example, I think you're right about the content of the letter and Tuomas exaggerating and twisting the facts. But I still think what I wrote about his aims that made him publish the letter - get huge publicity, make themselves look innocent and so on - is also true, and that the reason for that wasn't only him being upset about her complaining, but also fear of being less successful.

In my opinion Tarja had already woken up for a while, as I wrote, but nevertheless I kind of agree with you because I also think that she demanded more and more within the years, because she became more self confident, dared to say what she needed and understood it couldn't go on that way.

I don't think any of us is completely wrong, I guess the truth is just somewhere in between. :)

@Lexi: Well, I don't really dare to express an opinion on that Tuomas-in-love-with-Tarja-theory, since it's a very difficult topic. It might be true, I agree that many things seem to suggest that.If it's true, I still think it was only one of many reasons for all that mess ( and you can find many others on this page :D). However, I don't think Marcelo got greedy, I guess it was just an incredibly difficult situation for him, and he probably did mistakes, but he tried to handle everything as well as he could. But after all, his wife was unhappy with her band, he had to cooperate with an unable (and probably unfriendly) management if he wanted to improve the situation, and then there was that guy who was in love with his wife (I don't know it that's true, of course, but at least Marcelo believed that) - so I guess sometimes he was just overstrained. And, of course, he worked for Tarja, not for the whole band. But that was his job.

Earwen wrote on 27.10.2009 at 13:35
@earwen

"But I still think what I wrote about his aims that made him publish the letter - get huge publicity, make themselves look innocent and so on - is also true, and that the reason for that wasn't only him being upset about her complaining, but also fear of being less successful."

I certainly agree with you on that;they wanted to get rid of her,but instead of simply firing her,which would make them look like assholes,they found a way(actually Ewo found it) not only to get rid of her,but to put the blame completely on her AND make themselves look like the victims.
Plus-huge publicity for them,less for her(as they destroyed her image).

Legeon wrote on 27.10.2009 at 16:32
@Earwen

Yeah, I'm not sure who I believe. Everyone else from the "Nightwish camp" says he did got greedy, but he seemed like an alright guy when he was awnswering all those questions for the fans. But he did say that the whole reason for this was that Tuomas was in love with Tarja, and just didn't really know how to handle that. I don't see why he would lie about it... for publicity, maybe? Either way, it fits with like everything. Also, either way, if its true or not, that's not really our business. Just something to speculate on..? Not like Tuomas would confess to such a thing. He denies it, yet everyone else hints at it, and Marcelo just flat out yells it out. Its true Marcelo may not be greedy, and I'm willing to believe that this was all a big understanding.

Like most here, I'm pretty sure, I don't personally know any of these people, so I don't want to state anything as the truth.

Sorry for bringing up something so unrelated, but I was reading all the comments, and it seemed to be getting into the whole "why Tarja was fired thing" and also, someone mentioned earlier that Tuomas hated Marcelo "for a strange reason". I have a feeling that this is that reason. And every time this subject comes up, theres always all this finger pointing. Its either "Tuomas is a horrible ogre who doesn't deserve to live, while Tarja is the sweetest human being in existence", or its "Tarja is practically Satan, while Tuomas is just 100% a victim of her evil grasp". Maybe not everything is not so black and white? Maybe its partly everyone's fault, just a little bit?

I am and have been for years, a big fan of Tuomas' work and have sort of grown to like his character --- though its immature and quite bratty at times. I really don't think hes that bad of a person. Just.. a tad stupid. Had to say it, as there is quite a bit of Tuomas bashing here.

Lexi wrote on 27.10.2009 at 18:23
@Lexi: I don't think Marcelo is lying, i think he believed what he wrote, but you can always misinterpret someone's actions or words and you'll never know everything about someone else's feelings. So I think Marcelo believed Tuomas was in love with Tarja, but that doesn't necessary mean he's correct. I don't want to judge Tuomas' feelings based on Marcelo's words, that's all, I didn't mean to accuse Marcelo of lying. In my opinion it was a mistake Marcelo revealed that - you can't accuse someone for indiscretion and then talk about other's private feelings in public. But after all, he had been provoked very much, and maybe he also thought it was necessary for the fans to understand Tuomas' actions, I don't know. So I think he was wrong to do that, but it's a more or less understandable mistake.

I don't know if everything is black and white about the split, but I know that Tuomas and the band published that letter and destroyed Tarja's reputation for their own advantage, and I know Tarja's behaviour was incredibly professional and discreet, she handled everything much more professional than I ever could, and if it wasn't for Marcelo, we still wouldn't know a great deal of her side of the story, just because she refused to talk about it in public. So even if everything that happened in the band before 2005 had been their fault, there'd still be big mistakes made by the other band members. And since I can't believe that - just look at Anette who's complaining about communication problems, too hard touring, the tour bus and so on - I'll stay on Tarja's side.

But I think you misunderstood me about one point: I never meant to defend Tuomas. Even though I love much of his work I still think he's an egoistic, hypocrite, arrogant and immature coward - and I can name you many reasons for calling him that, if you ask for them (just in case somebody accuses me of pointless bashing, I'm sure you can think of many reasons yourself ;-) ). If he was in love with Tarja, that would be an adequate excuse for firing Tarja - if he just couldn't bear to have her around any longer - but not for the letter, not for MPG and BBB, and not for some other stuff said in interviews. Unreturned love is painful, but he's a grown up man and should've handled in an other way, and he had no right to let Tarja and Marcelo suffer because of it.

@legeon: Really, the letter was Ewo's idea? I didn't know that. Not that I ever thought too much of him, but I never realised that. hm... :-/

Earwen wrote on 27.10.2009 at 20:53
@Earwen

Well my opinion on Tuomas' character is irrelevant at this point, and its not really the subject. I do agree that he did not handle this very well, like I said, I think the guy has the mind of a 12 year old. He really does not act like a grown man at ALL, from what I've gathered. But I don't think Marcello misinterpreted anything, if he is telling the truth, then Tuomas did flat out tell him, to his face, that "nothing was ever going to stop his love for Tarja". In apparently those exact words. So either he IS lying about that, or its what happened.

Lexi wrote on 27.10.2009 at 23:01
@Earwen

Well,just think about it.I'm not saying that Tuomas and rest NW guys want it...They knew what they wanted(denigration and humiliation),and Ewo came up with this letter.
Just think,has any member of this band knowledge over PR or handling the media?Better than the manager himself?

And remember,according to Marcelo's words,it was actually Ewo to blame for the whole situation-twisting his words or Tarja's and presenting them like that to Tuomas,and giving false info to both of them.
Marcelo blames Tuomas just for his inability to handle his feelings for Tarja-but about the bad situation in the band,he puts the whole blame on Ewo.

Legeon wrote on 27.10.2009 at 23:06
ps.

I wanted to say "I'm not saying that Tuomas and rest NW guys didn't want it".

Legeon wrote on 27.10.2009 at 23:18
Just an update:

Anette just bought ANOTHER cat.The third one.And considers to take a fourth too.

Someone should inform this woman that cats aren't boots.

Legeon wrote on 27.10.2009 at 23:20
ohhh looks like Rockman/Jimmie has found another alter-ego, right MeToo? ;=)
At least try to sound different, LOL.

sylvie wrote on 28.10.2009 at 15:37
"Someone should inform this woman that cats aren't boots"

Maybe is the only thing that the Pms princess is doing ok. I mean giving a cat a home its something great. But if she is going to use them as an accesory like those american dumbass celebritys then is something bad.

Ragnarök wrote on 28.10.2009 at 18:06
@Ragnarok

Actually giving a cat a home is good.But giving 3 cats the same home is not good,especially when you're an artist.
Of course Anette isn't touring now,but cats live like 12-15 years,and i suppose Anette has planned to tour within these years :P

Then who will take care of them?A child who hasn't even reached teen age or she will send these poor animals to an animal hotel,like she has done before?
And no matter how much they may care about animals there,animals still are more or less stuffed all day in cages.All real animal owners know that the worst thing you can do to a domestic cat is putting her in an animal hospital.

Legeon wrote on 28.10.2009 at 20:04
...thought that maybe she wants to do a pop rock album because she LIKES it? I mean, look at Sharon den Adel and the Armin van Buuren song, no one complains about that. Or Anneke van Giersbergen going pretty mainstream, maybe cause she's more into that kinda stuff than what she did in The Gathering. Everyone is entitled to have preferences in music and stuff they'd like to do and never got the chance. Oh well, she does now and she's taking advantage of that.
Take even Black eyed peas, for example, and their performance of Sweet Child o'mine, with Slash on guitar.
It's exactly the same situation and, truth be told, I couldn't care less about her having 184626 cats, she could get the 184627th and it would be just the same.
But this site has become such a playground, that I can't even hope for a serious conversation or debate. That can't happen, since each sentence around here starts with "The beloved princess..." and ends with "...hope Fartwish kick her out". :)

have you guys... wrote on 28.10.2009 at 20:45
"Anette just bought ANOTHER cat.The third one.And considers to take a fourth too.
Someone should inform this woman that cats aren't boots."

Oh my God, she is turning herself into another Paris Hilton- Hilton is known to collect different animals like accesory :(

Simone wrote on 28.10.2009 at 20:51
"thought that maybe she wants to do a pop rock album because she LIKES it? I mean, look at Sharon den Adel and the Armin van Buuren song, no one complains about that.
Or Anneke van Giersbergen going pretty mainstream, maybe cause she's more into that kinda stuff than what she did in The Gathering. Everyone is entitled to have preferences in music and stuff they'd like to do and never got the chance"

Wow, you open us an America, dude.
We understand that she wants to do pop rock album because she likes it and because she fits in that kind of music (unlike metal). Geez. Sharon did that song with Armin as a side-project, and it is a trance song, and Sharon IS NOT going to do a solo album made of these kind of songs! She is not going to do any kind of solo album at all now!!!!
Understood?

And Anneke LEFT the Gathering! And took completely different direction after that because she practically left rock/metal stage. She wasn't releasing solo albums while she was in the Gathering!!!!

And Olzon, being two years in the band only and made one album with NW, already needs SO much a solo album of her own! Yeah, right, that was the reason she joined NW - to became famous quickly and then start her solo album thing!!! Yes, she likes pop and pop rock more, but she knows that her supporting band NW gives her good income so she tries to get all - release her pop stuff which she likes more , but keep cash cow NW as well :) Pathetic :)

Xena wrote on 28.10.2009 at 22:10
Oh, what is the matter Nettie? Money from NW is not enough for you already? Not enough PR? Maybe you can't afford enough clothes? You just want more so you want to make a pop-rock solo album so soon to show how independent you are? Poor greedy narcissist.

Oceansold wrote on 28.10.2009 at 22:17
After reading all of you for some time, i really can't understand why many of you insist on commenting/blaming/insulting Avril (aka The princess- btw i saw that someone liked my correlation of Olzon with Lavigne).

Let's take it again from the beginning. What's the problem? That NW currently have a totally incapable singer,right? And what's the root of this problem? Tuomas' selection of her to replace Tarja. So I think that pottering with her is totally wrong. She's just a VERY BIG nothing so the best thing to do is stop talking about her in anyway. They say that talking bad about someone is the best way to advertise him after all, and we're playing her game here...

After reflecting on the new situation for some time (years maybe :-P) I strongly believe that the one and only person that is to blame for the humiliation of my "once" favourite band is Tuomas.

He told us in the open letter that the band wanted to write music from the heart. Is DPP anywhere near that? I can't help myself listening to all his old staff and it's as if they were written by a totally different person. He told us that Tarja didn't want small venues and acted like a diva. I saw Tarja in a SMALL venue in Athens and she was nothing sort of a diva, exactly the opposite i'd say (she didn't stop thanking the crowd for being there). I saw Tuomas in 2008 and his attitude was totally arrogant, completely different from what i've seen back in 2004 and 2005. Avril is his choice and clearly shows the new way that he wants his music to sound like. Nowhere near the old Nightwish I loved. So the only one I'm gonna blame is him...

Sleeping Sun wrote on 29.10.2009 at 03:28
@Sleeping Sun

I don't agree with all of your points, but you make a very good one about Anette and/or Avril. Controversy = more fame.

I don't think its so much that she gets blamed for what happened, its more that shes just kind of annoying on her own. But I know there are people that do blame her, and that's pretty stupid as she has essentially nothing to do with anything.

I think a lot of what fuels that blame is that shes just a general symbol of what Nightwish has become, which people don't like. Even if Avril did nothing in particular to bring that symbol upon herself. People, including me, prefer the epic entity that Nightwish once was --- which is symbolized by Tarja.

But like I said, if people really want to do something about it --- although, I don't really think anything CAN be done at this point, then they should take it up with whoever was actually relevant to the problem.

Lexi wrote on 29.10.2009 at 10:24
@Legeon
If you think no one is looking for the cats when she is on tour...
What is with her son???Who take care of him when she is on tour??
I think there are people who be there for her son and for the cats , too! ;-)

celisajan wrote on 29.10.2009 at 11:34
@Sleeping Sun

For what has happened in this band and between its members,we blame Tuomas.Clearly.

The reason we criticize Anette is because of her hideous actions,not because she replaced Tarja.We would tell nothing about her if she was a decent singer and didn't say all these things she says/said.

I don't really agree with what you say about talking bad about someone is advertising him/her...For example,after 2005 every NW fan was talking bad(and still do)about Tarja,but that didn't make her more famous.On the opposite,that made her look worse.

Finally,not saying anything shows acceptance,and that is exactly the case.
We,as old and many years fans,don't like what NW has become,don't like the new singer and we certainly don't accept what she does/says.

Legeon wrote on 29.10.2009 at 15:13
@Ragnarok

That's not what i meant...It's different with her son.
She gave birth many years ago,and she didn't chose to have more children.But,she chooses to buy more and more expensive cats,which is not good,especially if you are an artist.These poor animals need more than just "a home" or food.They need their master/mistress.

Oh,and i believe that her son is with his father while she's on tour...But i don't think her ex-husband would be so positive to take all her 3 cats too.

Legeon wrote on 29.10.2009 at 15:15
I agree with Legeon.

I, myself, don't criticize Anette for being Tarjas' replacement. If they have chosen a good singer who could sing very well old song and have more of a metal attitude and be interested in other fields, not only shopping, eating, going to fancy restaurants and tell everybody about it, she would have been OK, for me. But no.... she has to be exactly the opposite and, especially to do all kind of gestures the boys reproached to Tarja.

Kiri wrote on 29.10.2009 at 15:32
I'm sorry... but I have to say: When has anyone bashed Tarja? I'm sort of new onto the whole Nightwish scene, but I've done a bit of research, and I hardly ever see anyone saying anything bad about the woman. Everytime I watch youtube videos on Nightwish, even if it has nothing to do with Tarja (like a video on Marco or Tuomas), people are always throwing out "Bring back Tarja" or "Tarja forever" or "Anette is terrible, Tarja is the goddess of music".

Never a bad word about her. Even back when she was fired, and when I read the letter on websites, there were a few comments that did bash her, but the majority defended her, and were saying "Nightwish won't be the same without her".

And don't get me wrong, I agree. I love Tarja's voice, and Nightwish is close to nothing without her. Anette is pretty annoying, simply in her mannerisms.

But I really don't get why the Tarja fans on this website seem quite frankly --- so defensive. I mean can we seriously just never bring up anything Nightwish related ever again without getting into a big fight about something that happened like 5 years ago? And I'm not defending Tuomas, or "idolizing him", as I'm sure you will accuse me of, I know its all Nightwish's fault and blah blah blah. I am merely trying to clarify, as I do not understand. Thanks. :)

Lexi wrote on 29.10.2009 at 18:04
..leaving all sympathy and preferences aside, I honestly don't think Anette has done or said anything that Tarja did. She's not a saint of course, but I think she's quite a girly woman, sometimes superficial and often silly. The type of person that I would describe as random or just 'casual', with a strong teenage-side. I don't find her particularly intelligent or profound, I'd rather say she's somewhat ingenious and quite lucky. I think this is the side of her that makes her watch silly tv shows or change her hair all the time, present her clothes etc.

On the other hand, I refuse to think the feelings she displays on some of the songs when she performs them (deeper songs, I mean, not Whoever brings the night or something) are a result of pure intuition. She clearly seems like a very affectionate and heart-driven person to me, which I can only see as qualities. I think she's also capable of deeper, more honest and introspective reflections; it's just that, most of the time, she either doesn't wanna show them or her life is too "hyper" at this moment in order to let go of the everyday, pretty much useless events that happen to her. Also, considering the fact she has been chosen by the Nightwish members without having the most distinctive voice ever (don't get me wrong, she is very good and capable to control her voice extremely well, but she still isn't anything out of ordinary, tone and colour-wise), makes me think they saw something in her that maybe we don't have access to.

Anyhow, to put it in more shortly, I think she is a much simpler and predictable person than Tarja. We never actually got to see or sense how Tarja is as a person; therefore, that made her much more dangerous, since we had, and some still do, an ideal image about her. The fairy-hearted, beautiful, talented and completely genuine woman who could never do anything wrong. And still, apparently it wasn't EXACTLY that way, 'cause there was still some problem going on. And even though Tuomas&Friends seem bossier than ever, I have a feeling they're extremely, extremely sloppy and comfort-driven people, who would rather pretend everything's okay than squeezing their brains for revelations, when something's getting fishy. Elseway, they should've taken measures with Anette for quite some time.

I think Anette and Tarja are 'divas' on different levels. The first one is the simple, neighborhood girl gone rich, who can now afford 3 cats instead of just 2, and who can also change extensions more often, while the second one is very prudent, careful, conservative, but about whom one can never know what she is like and what to expect from.

LONG comment. *waits for people to bash* :)

Now... wrote on 29.10.2009 at 19:47
@Lexi

It's certainly because you are new.I am a fan since 2002 and i lived all this story after the break-up.

There are still people that say "Tarja was a diva/evil bitch/greedy".I suggest you to look some NW videos on YouTube.

But i don't think you'll find anything in the official NW forum,since it's forbidden to talk like that there.
But believe me,after 2005 NW fans rampaged about Tarja in every way...
They accused her for the situation in the band,they accused her for hypothetical suicidal tendencies Tuomas had,they even accused her for making Tuomas feel soooo bad that he watched "The village" 5 times per day.
The only thing they never accused her of is capitalism.Yet :P

Oh,not to mention what Anette fans say now.And not only for Tarja,but also every other female metal singer.

They are the biggest hypocrites.They attack every person that supports Tarja and says that NW were better with her,accusing them that they aren't "real NW fans" and saying that the band isn't only the singer but all of them,and that you shouldn't attack Anette since she's a member of the band,but they find it pretty easy to talk bad about Tarja and her husband.

Oh and suddenly after 2005,all NW fans noticed that Tarja isn't a good vocalist,doesn't have a good accent,doesn't have a good live performance and she didn't like metal in the first place.(the fact that Anette does worse things now escape their attention)
No one had a problem with her until 2005.Suddenly,after a certain letter was posted on NW's official page,Tarja was the worst singer of all.

YouTube videos still exist.Go there and see what they say.
But also in their official site,when someone says that he prefers Anette's versions of the songs,they are perfectly fine with that.But if someone says that he prefers Tarja,then all attack him with things like "you aren't a real NW fan","stop listening to them if you don't like Anette"...

I once said that i didn't like her performance of Walking In The Air in Hartwal Arena and one guy was smart enough to tell me: "then why you watch their performance?Just don't watch them and don't but any ticket for their shows.Oh,i forgot,you haven't".

1)I just watched the video and spoke my mind about that.I didn't went on and on watching it.So,how could someone say "stop watching it",since i only saw it once and said what i believed?
2)This guy hadn't even talked to me before and instantly decided that i haven't been to ANY of their shows.Never asked me actually.

Finally,you must be too new in this whole thing for not having seen anything...All this noise isn't uncalled for.

Legeon wrote on 29.10.2009 at 20:01
Yeah, I agree with Legeon.
On both points about "fame" thing and about "caring for cats" thing.
Anette "the cats collector" :)) Now she will make PR for herself on these animals :(

@Sleeping Sun, personally I also blame Tuomas a lot, trust me, and I agree with your post a lot.
But Anette gets all "that" not because she just replaced Tarja, like Legeon said, but because she does exactly those things Tarja was so accused of, but she does them with such speed and with quite an arrogance-- like "in you face thing", because she certainly knows in what NW blamed their first singer (I would never believe that she doesn't have a clue about that), but she does exactly all that and she does it fast, stressing it in every possible way, acting and talking as if she is fucking privileged!! And she didn't even earned it- by many years of hard work on metal stage, by going a long way with the band from unfamous musical project to a band with world wide fame.
Insolent ungrateful wannabe - not saying anything about her would show acceptance of her actions and ways. And trust me this kind of talking did a lot of good to several people I know- cause thanks to such talks they also managed to see Olzon's "true face" and through that to look at current NW from different angle, they don't think like NW's drooling fan-zombies anymore :)

Sylvia wrote on 29.10.2009 at 20:05
Lexi ,
Wow, that's very funny that you totally don't see anything - "not a single bad word against her" cause on youtube there are a lot of bad and ugly comments about Turunen, not to mention NW fan-related boards, and there are bad comments here on MFF as well- didn't you read them? Strange. I hope you didn't ignore them on purpose.

Lyset wrote on 29.10.2009 at 20:13
@ those who say that Anette is not to blame for anything and that it's Tuo who should be blamed because he chose her:

I had read in one of Anette's first interviews (or was it in Nightmail? I can't remember) that when she sent the demo tape, they called her to audition live but then their attitude was neutral and she left without getting a positive answer from them. So, as she claims, she got back to them, asking them again about what they were going to do, because, in her own words, she felt that it was 'meant to be'. I don't know why but when I read this it gave me the impression that somehow her persistence counted much more than her vocal or performing abilities; and I recall reading an interview with Marco (sorry I don't remember the source) where he said that what they basically liked about Anette was the fact that she was willing to sing whatever they gave her, and didn't complain about changes etc. I believe that Anette was so eager to 'get a full-time job as a singer' (her own words again) that she immediately understood what great opportunity this was, so she wasn't willing to let it go without fighting for it. I am not saying that she forced them to hire her, but think of their position: they had been inactive for so long, the record company was (probably) pressing them to release new material, and they couldn't keep searching for a vocalist forever. They have a contract with certain terms and no matter how important you are in this business, if there is a company behind you, you have to go by those terms. So they have all these demos, most of which (I assume) were Tarja replicas, and then there was this swedish singer who was eager to work and showed clearly that she wanted the job. Most probably they didn't have the time to examine all the parameters, as they had to conclude somewhere, hire a vocalist, record the album and start the tour, so that the record company could make up for all the lost time.

This is a scenario of course, but it's based on facts, so I guess it doesn't shift too much away from what really happened. So I believe that, in a way, Anette is somehow to 'blame', as she sort of grabbed the position of the vocalist by showing so much zeal and probably exaggerating her love for music and singing, to get her much wanted 'full-time job as a singer'.

On the other hand, what I found more impressing (in a negative way) when I first knew about her being the new vocalist was the fact that, as she said, she hadn't heard about NW before nor did she know any of the songs. It struck me as rather weird that the guys, just before the start of a huge world-wide tour, decided to hire a singer who, apart from the fact that she had to fill-in for a great predecessor, was moreover charged with having to learn a ton of songs that she had never heard nor sang before. Even now, this is something that I cannot understand.

Sin wrote on 29.10.2009 at 20:51
"Never a bad word about her. Even back when she was fired, and when I read the letter on websites, there were a few comments that did bash her, but the majority defended her, and were saying "Nightwish won't be the same without her".

Lexi,seriously, you must be from another planet or you just really would like people start quoting all the dirt about Tarja :) Read comments here on MFF in Tarja topics for a start :)

"can we seriously just never bring up anything Nightwish related ever again without getting into a big fight about something that happened like 5 years ago? "

Sorry, but NW members in their interviews still return to this topic, they did it several times already, they bring it back and not with small general answers, but with full answers starting again the whole story about how Tarja "was a diva" :)

Truth wrote on 29.10.2009 at 21:13
@Now

Here you go.

"I honestly don't think Anette has done or said anything that Tarja did. "

Oh no she did, exactly all the things but even more stupid and rude things, but her fans see it as a nice girly attitude of simple woman :) LOL Predictable :)
And teenage-side in a almost 40 year old woman is stupid as hell.

What makes her watch silly tv shows or change her hair all the time, present her clothes etc. is her shallowness and primitivism as a person. :) Nothing more.

Feeling she displays when she performs the NW songs are almost always do not fit the songs, she just gives that silly girly attitude you like a lot all the time :) That's good for pop, not for metal.

NW chose her cause she is very mainstreamish and poppish and they knew that it would serve great to get more people with money(since mainstream brings good money) and rise the sales a lot ;)

Great Olzon's fan point, Anette just a simple darling, while Tarja just hides very well so that's why she doesn't act as stupid as Olzon :)) The fact is Tarja is a more professional, more mature person with a sense of dignity and that's why she doesn't do all that stupid crap like Anette -like endless shopping and talking about it, endless watching of idiotic TV shows, idiotic statements about music and etc.

Actually now Anette is a bigger diva than lots of female metal singers I know :)

Esme wrote on 29.10.2009 at 22:51
@everyone that responded to that message

Yeah, well what can I say? Tuomas and them I do consider pathetic for still bringing this Tarja issue up. They are quite the drama queens. Doesn't mean we should be though. I think we need to start ignoring it all together. I think Nightwish likes using the Tarja vs Tuomas thing to fuel controversy in their music, thus bringing more attention upon themselves. I recentley heard Nightwish is releasing an album in 2011, and all Tuomas has said about it was "theres a big surprise twist to it". Twist? This is supposed to be an album, not the latest episode of some soap opera.

My music preferences aside, I like Tarja because she handles the situation professionally. Not as a soap opera and not as some high school drama.

I suppose I've been looking in the wrong places. Now I do hear that Tarja was a diva every now and then, but the majority seems to rule for her as opposed to against her. I can't think of a single Nightwish fan I have spoken to who prefers Anette to Tarja. Trust me, I have been looking. Mostly on youtube, not really anywhere else though.

Now will admit, I used to LIKE Anette when I first got to know Nightwish. I was in support of her, and I would stick up for her in conversations that were going against her, but not a word I said in support of Anette ever went against Tarja, who is clearly superior.

So I think it is possible to stick up for Anette, while not necessarily meaning to attack Tarja. For those who do attack Tarja, for her accent ecspecially, well --- I'm pretty sure those are the ones who are not "real Nightwish fans". Because we all know "real Nightwish" was the Nightwish we heard before all this firing drama and what not.

I'm not THAT new, I've been listening since 2008. I've seen Nightwish with Anette live, and I have seen Tarja live earlier this year. I consider them two completely separate acts now, and I wish them both neither good nor bad. I prefer not to judge too much based off their personalities or whatever, as in the end, I do not personally know any of these people.

Lexi wrote on 29.10.2009 at 22:55
@Now

Ha, ha, an epic fail to present Anette as a diva but who is still so sweet and simple and just neighborhood girl :) And Tarja is a "dangerous" diva, of course, even some kind of evil mastermind who plans so well LOL. Poor Olzon's fan try to use now that kind of fail point to redeem PMS Anette.

Anette did a lot of shit just in two years- she showed how unprofessional, greedy and selfish she is. Very fast. I know she did her best in that. And how stupid also - her talking about PMS is enough to tell :)

Aragorn wrote on 29.10.2009 at 23:02
Lol, Anette is such a terrible diva now. It sucks.

7UP wrote on 29.10.2009 at 23:04
Our Fattie Nettie just wants more attention and more money, isn't she? NW bored her so fast, poor woman, but afterall it is only a supporting band for her.

The Riddler wrote on 29.10.2009 at 23:10
"They are quite the drama queens. Doesn't mean we should be though. I think we need to start ignoring it all together."

@Lexi, if we ignore it, then it will mean that we accept and agree with their position, whatever they will say and the whole situation. "Silence gives consent". If you want to ignore, then ignore it yourself, nobody stops you, you are free to do it :)
But do not agitate others to do that, since they won't do that.

"I can't think of a single Nightwish fan I have spoken to who prefers Anette to Tarja. Trust me, I have been looking. Mostly on youtube, not really anywhere else though. "

You are looking somehow in wrong places, I've met a lot NW fans who say that they never actually liked Tarja and only start to like NW in full with Anette :) Or they just prefer Anette over Tarja- check NW-fan communities or official forum. :)

"So I think it is possible to stick up for Anette, while not necessarily meaning to attack Tarja. "

Somehow it never works :) Never.

Lyset wrote on 30.10.2009 at 01:22
@Lexi

"I can't think of a single Nightwish fan I have spoken to who prefers Anette to Tarja. Trust me, I have been looking."

Then you simply lie or haven't looked so much.

Go to NW forum,for starters.And then watch videos from Hartwal with Anette on YouTube,for main course.

Just some examples,since it don't want to flood this place with links.

Legeon wrote on 30.10.2009 at 02:34
I only have one thing to say....

Burn in hell Anette Olzon, burn in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ragnarök wrote on 30.10.2009 at 05:44
lexi wrote: "They are quite the drama queens. Doesn't mean we should be though. I think we need to start ignoring it all together"

You were right, if the "other side" would stop talking then, too. I don't know on which youtube-videos you looked, but whenever I'm there I see somebody who's new to NW and asks something like "What happened to Tarja?" "Did she leave the band?" etc. and the answer's ALWAYS something like: "They kicked her out, because she acted like a diva."
I don't even know if they mean that as an attack against Tarja - maybe not, maybe they just want to be nice and answer the question with what they know about it - but when new NW-fans are told stuff like that as facts, that's incredibly bad for Tarja's reputation, so it's important that the other arguments also appear somewhere. And I think that's why we still keep on writing: we want to show that there IS an other way to look at it.

I also found out about Nightwish in 2008, and I immediatly fell in love with Old Nightwish, but first all information I got about the split was what I wrote above and a link to the letter. And then I read some other comments later who were pro-Tarja, and so I started to research and read Marcelo's answers and so on (also because I thought to publish that letter was the lowest thing to do and didn't quite fit their image.)

As Lyset wrote: ignoring means accepting. If there were only Anti-Tarja and Pro-Nightwish comments on NW and Tarja news, people who are new to this wouldn't receive a good impression of everything, right?

Earwen wrote on 30.10.2009 at 15:34
@all the people who find so friendly words like Fattie Nettie!!

Tuomas makes mistakes..
Anette makes big Blabla ..
thats a fakt..and its ok to talk about it and make comments
but its absolutly unfair to give them names like fatty Nettie or TuomASS ,or PMS Nettie...
Its childish and if you think you are so funny and intelligent if you said this offent names..I say your not better than the people you blame!!!!!
Think of it

celisajan wrote on 30.10.2009 at 18:06
celisajan

Oh, how touching- but it were NW' guys who gave Tarja name a "diva" in bad meaning in the first place and it wasn't so very fair to do it, especially in the way they did.
Oh, and also NW gave nickname themselves - "Granny Duck" to Olzon. So first go to them and lecture them about nicknames, ok.

Polly wrote on 30.10.2009 at 20:48
Ok people,now Anette posts Madonna videos...
God...

Ok,we got it,you loooove pop.Now do your pop-oops sorry,"rockish" album-and leave the metal scene.You never liked it anyway-you said it.

Legeon wrote on 30.10.2009 at 21:16
@celisajan

"its absolutly unfair to give them names like fatty Nettie or TuomASS ,or PMS Nettie... "

Why don't you mention the "parasite bitch Tarja" some people here have mentioned?Or even "crow"?
Why don't you lecture THEM?

Oh i know.Because evil Tarja deserves all that right?So calling her names is absolutely allowed,but not calling Anette "Pms Anette"(which,by the way,provoked to herself since SHE started talking about her PMS).

ps.If you are going to answer,do so in ENGLISH!
I'm tired of your responses in German,and if you don't know English too well,then don't even post.

Legeon wrote on 30.10.2009 at 23:06
"Ok people,now Anette posts Madonna videos...
God... "

How very funny. Yes, she is a great pop music lover. Yack.Well, I do think Madonna is better singer than Anette anyway.
But yes, all her claims about her "rockish" album after her stressed devotion to mainstream pop sounds ridiculous. And metal stage, yeah she should leave it, she doesn like it in any way.

Fiona wrote on 31.10.2009 at 01:00
@Polly

Sorry but you don't understand the point what "celisajan" wrote because she is very much right.Nickname is totally different thing than if you want to fuck up to someone.
If the boys gave the name "diva" to Tarja then why do you want to revenge it to Anette even she wasn't there in that time and she has nothing to do in this "Tarja case"...weird!Some people even like to be a diva.Example if you noticed one comment here "Burn in hell Anette Olzon,burn in hell"...do you think that this kind of talking is like giving a "nickname" or this person is very "talented".I like to see the day when these people get a subpoena and they all have to show they faces in the court because believe me nobody can be anonymous here and talk everything nasty what they want...let's see what's gonna happen because I know already few cases...

Jimmie wrote on 31.10.2009 at 02:00
@Jimmie

Brrr...now we're scared!If you haven't noticed,some of us have already shown their faces...We are not the ones that use multiple nicknames to say different things...

Oh,and why should ANYONE "to show they faces in the court"?Is it illegal to say something about someone on the net?Especially when it's not an official source(people posting here aren't posting under an official name,for example "The Guardian".
And if someone is most likely to face courts,is Tuomas.And maybe Marco.
Tarja could actually sue them for saying all these stuff and ruining her reputation.But she never will;she has too much class for that.

ps.No one said that what Ragnarok said was good.I actually found it too much.

Legeon wrote on 31.10.2009 at 02:39
@legeon
I didn´t read here much bad names about Tarja...
The most trash thats written here is about Anette
Thats a fakt , legeon...
Whats your problem???

If you read my comment , you will see i wrote that Anette makes some shit in her live ,and I say Tarja is a good singer , but I THINK that she isn´t an innocent angel but I didn´t call Anette or Tarja with so shitty names

argument and talk about it..is ok but this names are big SHIT and nothing else....

And if you can´t read my german words its your problem...than learn german, it seems you got time enough for it.....

celisajan wrote on 31.10.2009 at 11:20
@jimmie

thanks!!!!

Some here don´t want to understand ...They got their points..and thats it...
Fattie Nettie.... hhhmmm fat is an Person wtih 150kilos and not a woman who isn´t a thin Beanstick ..Anette is a woman with a normal figur...like the most woman of us....
If you say she is fat..hhhmmm so come on show us your bodies..... Who of us here got a perfekt body?? and what in hell is the perfekt body???
You can talk about what she says, sing ore something like that, but to blame her about her figure ...
In german such peoples who talk like that are : OBERFLÄCHLICH= superficial...and thats what you say about Anette...so who here is more superficial??? Anette or the superman posters here???

celisajan wrote on 31.10.2009 at 11:37
@celisajan

This is a board where people post in English.I have no obligation to learn German juts because you can't write with proper English in an ENGLISH-SPEAKING board!

Legeon wrote on 31.10.2009 at 15:00
Calm down ;-) If celisajan doesn't feel able to write in english but does want to share her opinion, why not write in german, as long as she doesn't insult anyone? Some people understand it, at least. But I agree it's better to write in english and to tell Legeon she should learn german then is just wrong, since this is indeed an english-speaking board and it's not Legeon's fault you feel you can't express yourself in english.

However. About the nicknames - I think it was okay when we had nicknames for all of them ( Princess, Maestro, Diva and Mafioso ;-) ) and it was more like an insider joke. I also thought "PMS Nettie" was okay when somebody said it directly after she wrote about that in her blog, or Nebelnettie (fog nettie) after the Belo Horizonte-thing, because they are based on actual events and those nicknames *criticised* unprofessional or silly behaviour.

But names like Fatty Nettie or comments like "burn in hell" are indeed just pointless and insulting.
I agree on that with celisajan. But it's true you only criticise people who insult the band and Anette again, not Tarja.

Earwen wrote on 31.10.2009 at 16:34
@legeon...
but its not forbitten to post in german...
How childish are you ??
I posts some comments in german because Earwin and OceanWithin are speaking german too, and it was easier for me to talk with them in german...( and this was in an other thread and not here)
If you got a problem with it,
go an tell it your mother!!
---
The point here is, some people here don´t like Anette, and this is really ok, but thats no reason to offend her!!
She says a few words about PMS and the problems within..some other Women write books about it...
And the guys here make a big story of it...this is childish..and not her words about it.

@all the supercommentswriter:
Some people here talking like puberty kids and the same people are calling Anette a childish and selfish and nasty fat beast...
look at your own comments and than tell me: are you better???
I say:
NO!!!!

In my opinion Anette makes much mistakes in her Job ...and she is not everyones Darling , but she isn´t so bad...because somewhere out there are people who want´s to hear her singing!

celisajan wrote on 31.10.2009 at 17:09
celisajan said:

"How childish are you ??"
" this is childish."

But then also said:

"go an tell it your mother!! "

Yeahh right.

But then also said:

"Some people here talking like puberty kids and the same people are calling Anette a childish and selfish and nasty fat beast... "

Then answer me one thing:why you only say that about Anette?Or is it just coincidence that you don't lecture people that say bad things about Tarja?
And please don't say that people say less things about Tarja,because i have many examples:

parasite bitch
crow
huge forehead
Arnold Schwarzenegger

i can find more if you want.So,if you say that we are childish,then also say that these people are childish TOO!

Legeon wrote on 31.10.2009 at 18:58
Ok folks,Anette is now spreading a new fashion:dirty hair!

I mean honestly,talking about unwashed hair?In public?And then making a hair-do AND telling people about it?

How more stupid-and disgusting-can anyone be?

Legeon wrote on 31.10.2009 at 19:27
@Jimmie

Oh, yeah, show in court, right- already there, but first NW should appear in court for "diva" thing and other their words like "serpent" or "mafioso" cause all these words were sad as insult, not a compliment. :) Period.

@celisajan

You are acting childish, trying to lecture others, but you didn't do that , when people were giving bad names to Turunen a lot. So just stop your hypocritical lectures about that.

Telling people to learn German if you have problems with Enlgish on board where everybody speaks English, cause it is #1 language for international communication, is even more childish.

Polly wrote on 01.11.2009 at 00:40
"She says a few words about PMS and the problems within..some other Women write books about it... "

That's idiotic to write about PMS in official blog when you a singer, not a doctor, medical worker and stuff. That's a fact. If she didn't understand that it would be laughed at, cause it doesn't deserve anything more, than it is HER problem- she is adult and she must understand such things. But she doesn't, she is proud of being idiotic in public.
But probably Olzon should write not only songs about her PMS, but also a book about it :))) LOL If it is so important to her :)

@celisajan
You don't have any right to tell people that they are chidish, since you yourself act very childish. Specially that you start to whine only when somebody says something about your precious Anette. You don't whine about Turunen being called "bitch" and so on. So just give a rest to yourself and go to NW offical board- they are all worshipping Olzon there.

Orion wrote on 01.11.2009 at 00:49
@celisajan

Your double standarts suck and stink. You act like predictable typical Anette's fan - you only start buzz when it comes to your sweeeeeeeeet Anette. :)))

Z. wrote on 01.11.2009 at 00:51
@Z

@Orion

What has Anette done to you because you are so pissed to her...did she steal your candy or are you usually very angry person about everything...for goodness' sake she is only a musician...
Don't you understand simply thing...if someone defending Anette for these nasty fuck up comments that don't mean this person is a "fanatic Anette fan".This person is defending same time all people like Anette,Tarja,Tuomas,...ec. because nobody has right to insult other people what ever they represents...or did your mother and father teach you totally different values about life...if so then to you BYE!

@Polly

You said "already there in court"...well then you know what I was talking about and I don't have to spell it to you...also it's a good thing because I don't wonder your comments anymore...you too BYE!

PS."BYE" means:"This time I don't want to spend my time for this bull shit with this person"!

@celisajan

Lets keep on Rocking!

Jimmie wrote on 01.11.2009 at 03:49
Legeon: LOL! Now you are making me thinking of re-shooting Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer with Anette as the reindeer with a brightly glowing red nose. :-p

Earwen: It was indeed Marcelo who convinced Tarja to stay in the band when she wanted to leave after Wishmaster.

Her ever-decreasing role in the band's music suggests to me that the band has tried to get rid of her for a long time. If she had left after Wishmaster, I can see that they must have feared to lose commercial success (which wasn't even that big at the time), since there was just nothing else that was really distinctive about them in the eyes of most fans and onlookers, anyway. (I've actually read a review of "Wishmaster" where the person called Nightwish Stratovarius clones and was not too impressed, except by the vocals.) That brings me to that fishy story with Marco and Sinergy: I don't know if it was really planned that long in advance, but it sure sounds like they built him up as a distinctive element and reference point - an attachment person - a figure to latch onto for people who never considered Tarja "metal" enough. They kept driving the focus away from her, but frustratingly, it didn't quite work. Eventually, though, the male members, especially Tuomas and Marco, did get followings of their own, among the fans at least. To the general public, or the casual fans, it was still Tarja who stood out most, and perhaps that was the biggest problem.

At some point, the band (or the management) must have thought that the risk for failure without Tarja had gotten low enough, and she began to be rather an obstacle - a hindrance for their (mainstream) success/breakthrough in US - than a guarantee for their continued success (in not quite as mainstream circles), so they didn't content themselves anymore with being the biggest fish in the pond when there were so much bigger ponds, and wanted to follow the lead of Within Temptation, Lacuna Coil and Evanescence. It was a simple cost-benefit analysis.

Lexi: Honestly, I don't think Marcelo is greedy at all, if anything, he is stingy and a bit anal, a bit of a control freak. But the different managements were all getting into each other's way and there were a lot of conflicting interests, everyone fighting against everyone behind the scenes, and Tuomas caught up in the middle and feeling pressure from all sides. I don't consider it at all impossible that he is the one member of NW who really isn't (or wasn't) in it for the money and never cared about commercial success, just trying to please everyone, though it is possible that he was actually the one who was "corrupted" by his manager, or that the "innocent" image was a lie to begin with, as, after all, you can't corrupt anyone who is strong and unwavering morally and just refuses to be corrupted. But the idea that Ewo is actually the Master Passion Greed is intriguing. After all, he's COB's manager too, and they, too, have gradually changed into a more mainstream-friendly, "American" direction, from album to album.

have you guys ...: I thought Anette was such a badass rock girl, as opposed to Tarja?

Sin: Yes, Anette was eager to get rich quick, and it almost seems that's precisely why she was taken ...

They COULD have taken a girl who sounded similar to Tarja, (or at least could sing classically, or least COULD SING), actually there would have been nothing wrong with that AT ALL, but apparently it was the MANAGEMENT didn't want a "Tarja clone" because that would have meant a lost opportunity. I mean, the fact that Tarja's operatic vocals were toned down and more and more marginalised from album to album was a clear enough indication that there was pressure to get rid of her and replace her with someone more palatable to larger audiences.

You know, I don't think that NW have ever "sold out" in the classic sense - just like COB - they were clever enough to make the transition gradual enough and to water their style down just a little more with each album (all the while introducing new elements, though ones that never really provide discomfort or challenges), never quite making a harsh - and symbolic - cut the way Metallica did - at least until Once, not quite dissimilar to the way Genesis made the transition from symphonic prog rock to pop. Juxtaposing two records that are further removed in time from each other the change is perceived more crassly.

Almagest wrote on 01.11.2009 at 05:22
Orion said: "So just give a rest to yourself and go to NW offical board- they are all worshipping Olzon there."

Sorry to jump in like this, I know you were talking to someone else, but uh... Have ya seen the official board as of late? I don't go on there a whole lot anymore but a couple of visits in the last few months showed a great decline in "worshiping". I've actually seen a discussion on there - in the Anette Thread above all else - about how she doesn't fit the sound of Nightwish so much. Looks like the fan numbers are dwindling, even on their side...

Tainted~ wrote on 01.11.2009 at 05:23
I think it´s bad for both sides if someone give the actors bad names
but here in this thread the most of the people are mocking about anette and offend her...and some people(but I found not much of them) are talking bad about Tarja... the most of the "Anette-lover" say that Tara is a great and good singer, but anette is the new one and we got to accept it or leave it... thats no offend thats a fact!!!
And like Earwen said:
"But names like Fatty Nettie or comments like "burn in hell" are indeed just pointless and insulting. "
and Earwen seems like a intelligent person, she stand to her points, but she is trying to be fair...she brings arguments and try to understand the whole situation...some of the others here are only mocking ...

I have no right to say others some words they don´t wan´t to hear?
But you can do???
Oh I see...your the better ones than others here...you got more rights here than others???
WOW!!!

celisajan wrote on 01.11.2009 at 12:24
@celisajan

"here in this thread the most of the people are mocking about anette and offend her...and some people(but I found not much of them) are talking bad about Tarja...

1)Wrong.Have you ever seen Tarja's articles?There are always some people saying words like "crow" or "when she's singing i think i'm in hell".
2)So,in order to lecture people that bash Tarja,the amount of insults MUST reach the amount of insults to Anette?Wow,i didn't know that defending someone requires some standards.
3)Have you ever thought that THERE IS A REASON behind these things people say?I am not going to defend the "burn in hell" thing,but the PMS Nettie or "Pop Princess" comes from somewhere.Has it ever occurred to you that MAYBE people don't find in Tarja as many bad things as they find in Anette?

You said that Earwen is a smart person and all that...I'm not going to disagree,since i believe that too,but honestly,you told that ONLY after she said the things you wanted to hear.

"Oh I see...your the better ones than others here...you got more rights here than others??? "

So,i believe that you think that you are better than us here,since YOU criticize us and call us "childish",that means that you believe you're in a better position.But as many people proved you here,you're not less childish than we are.

Legeon wrote on 01.11.2009 at 14:37
"This person is defending same time all people like Anette,Tarja,Tuomas,...ec. because nobody has right to insult other people what ever they represents..."

No, this person, celisajan, only was defending Anette, Anette and Anette only (and New NW sometimes along). Nobody saw her defending Turunen when she was called "bitch" by her "fellow friends" :). Period. And NW isulted "other people" in public , somebody told them about "having right" to do that? No.

"but here in this thread the most of the people are mocking about anette and offend her...and some people(but I found not much of them) are talking bad about Tarja... the most of the "Anette-lover" say that Tara is a great and good singer, but anette is the new one and we got to accept it or leave it... thats no offend thats a fact!!!"

And in another threads there were quite enough people who were mocking Tarja and insulting her - but of course you find it not much of them, because you never actually thought it to be so bad, that's why you never lectured them that they were wrong to do that.
The Olzon is new one, but it doesn't mean we have to accept it!!!! Or just leave it, thus giving out silent approval of the whole thing. Now that's a fact.

@Tainted
Thanks for the info. You helped me a lot. I also wasn't there for some time, cause the drooling there was crazy. But according to your words I see that many people there finally are able to see the light and understand that she totally doesn't fit NW. Nice to see that some people open up there minds finally. I hope the more time passes, the more fan numbers dwindling there will be. Well, that's logical. Probably that's why celisajan got so nervous - the places where you can drool over "perfect Anette" are reducing :) But all her points, after that, seem even more biased :)

"I have no right to say others some words they don´t wan´t to hear?
But you can do???
Oh I see...your the better ones than others here...you got more rights here than others???
WOW!!! "

This apply to you all the same - other people can't say things YOU don't want to hear? You think only YOU can lecture others what to say? While you yourself acted hypocritical all the way? You think you have more rights than others? NO!

Orion wrote on 01.11.2009 at 16:43
@ celisajan: I agree with you that some comments go a bit too far, but you have to understand that most of the times when people get characterized in a bad way (Anette in this case) is because they caused it themselves for most part. When she fills her blog with endless babblings about hair-do's, clothes, shoes, gives out every single detail about her everyday condition, posts photos of her swallen eye or close-ups of her new toe-nail polish, it is inevitable that she will receive crtiticism, even harsh criticism for all this.

IMO artists should maintain a certain amount of mystery around themselves and let their work speak instead. If you are a 38-year-old woman and go about like a frivolous teenage girl showing off your new expensive clothes and posing in front of the mirror to take photos of yourself with a mobile phone, people will eventually stop taking you seriously and lose any respect in you. There is a huge difference between being truly spontaneous and natural, and actually ridiculing yourself by trying too hard to convince people that you are all this.

Sin wrote on 01.11.2009 at 18:24
Ehm...Tero..where are our today's comments?I only see Orion's...

Legeon wrote on 01.11.2009 at 19:07
Fascinating - apparently, the hard work of DC is finally paying off and our black magic working ;-)

Which, curiously, seems to mean that there is more criticism of Anette on the official NW forum than on the official Tarja forum now. I suppose that means that we NW critics in the Tarja forum should now change to the NW forum, as critical discussions about Anette and NW aren't forbidden there, unlike the Tarja forum. So absurd! LOL!

In a way, we should almost fear/regret the point where NW finally come to their senses, because their helpless denial of the obvious (internal problems, dwindling fan support) is so much more fun to watch ...

Almagest wrote on 01.11.2009 at 19:14
Ha, ha this so-called celisajan was connected with AAA- pro-Anette fan army, as she admitted herself in one of her posts some time ago here. So don't take her fake attempts to persuade you that she is so fucking objective .

Vol wrote on 01.11.2009 at 19:21
@Orion

Read my words...

I say arguments are ok.. but offend other people is trash!!!

We are reading and writing in THIS thread...so I talk about the words that written HERE...not somewhere!!!!!!
And here the most people mock about Anette and not about Tarja...!!
I accept the opinion from each others but in my opinion this mocking is only for the people , who are bitter and can´t live with this situation...
I don´t think that Anette is ruin somebodys life here!!!
so come done and try to talk like grown up people!!

celisajan wrote on 01.11.2009 at 20:27
@Vol
I´m never a Anette Fan

If you really read all my posts you will see it!!
but its ok say and write whatever you want.... I give a shit of your words

celisajan wrote on 01.11.2009 at 22:29
@celisajan

"I say arguments are ok.. but offend other people is trash!!! "

What nice words...But why didn't you tell them to people who said really insulting things to Turunen here on MFF? You didn't say them it at all, you appear to lecture others ONLY when it comes to Anette Olzon. So, sorry, you don't sound very true.

"We are reading and writing in THIS thread...so I talk about the words that written HERE...not somewhere!!!!!!
And here the most people mock about Anette and not about Tarja...!! "

Now that is so sweet, you only want to take THIS thread and try to ignore all other threads where Tarja was insulted-- in order to justify yourself to give lectures to those who speak about Anette. How more hypocritical could it be?

@Sin

Great point, very true, that woman herself does EVERYTHING to be mocked at, everything, and after that people should respect her a lot and take her seriously, specially after all that drama with "diva Tarja"? The "diva" who didn't and doesn't do that- doesn't show off her new clothes all the time, doesn't pose in front of the mirror all the time to take photos of herself with a mobile phone, doesn't write out loud about her PMS....right....

Orion wrote on 01.11.2009 at 22:38
@celisajan
"I´m never a Anette Fan
If you really read all my posts you will see it!!
but its ok say and write whatever you want.... I give a shit of your words"

You was connected with pro-Olzon fan army, you wrote it yourself on this board sometime ago, and after that you wil claim that you NEVER was Olzon's fan?
I'll decide what to write here without your approval, missy, and you can give whatever shit you want- since all your attitude to the subjest here was nothing more than a shit all along you must know a lot about the good shit!

Vol wrote on 01.11.2009 at 23:18
"You said "already there in court"...well then you know what I was talking about and I don't have to spell it to you... "

@Jimmie

Lol, I only mocked your silly and fanboyish remark about court thing - nobody would sue people for what they are talking on some internet board, unless NW wants again a cheap PR for themseleves - but such thing would make them look like complete idiots and wimps. Lol, fanboys you are so funny.

Polly wrote on 01.11.2009 at 23:26
@celisajan and legeon: Thank you very much for calling me smart :D :D now my ego is twice as big as it was this morning ;-)

I don't have anything new to say about the nicknames ;-) And I think at least Legeon and me agreed saying that nicknames that actually criticise something are okay, but stuff like "burn in hell" goes to far.

oh, and @celisajan, I guess you don't follow the Tarja news since you're not a fan, and that's okay, but there are indeed insulting comments, too. So not only the Anti-Nightwish-fans do that ;-)

@Almagest: Yes, I know Marcelo was trying to persuade her to stay in the band, but this can't have been the only reason. At least he must have used arguments - he didn't just say "please stay" and she said "okay" ;) - and even before, she only thought about leaving, she hadn't told the others she'd go yet. So I named reasons that might have made her stay ( and that Marcelo was of the opinion she should was just one of them ) and with the "I don't know" I referred to all of them, meaning that I didn't know which of those mattered and that I was only listing possiblities.
I'm not sure if I'm making my intention clear, now that I read what I just wrote - if not, sorry;-)

Your idea about moving to the Nightwish forum is interesting :D that might even make hardcore fans insecure - to be arounded only by NNW-critics out of a sudden :D But you know there's still freedom of opinion in the german thread of Tarja's forum.

Earwen wrote on 01.11.2009 at 23:51
@The Anette haters here tells me already Iam a anette lover..so one fine day I said ok if you all said so than it is so...that calls sarcasm(Sarkasmus in German)

And I know that there outside this thread others who been Tarja Haters..but in this moment here, I talk to the people in THIS thread..is this so hard to understand???
If somebody comes to me and says Tarja is a big bitch Isay alway the same to him , as i told you here ...Its childish!!
So and now -End for me- because here are too many brainless people who only needs to offend others to make their own day!!!
Bye I hope you have fun to mock about others and I hope there is someone who find the right words for you ;-)

celisajan wrote on 02.11.2009 at 08:12
celisajan said:

"because here are too many brainless people who only needs to offend others to make their own day!!! "

Inconsistency,anyone?

Legeon wrote on 02.11.2009 at 09:36
I noticed, too, that you can't say anything bad about Anette or New Nightwish in Tarjas' official forum, and I don't understand why. I know the German division is free and so is the Portuguese division.

I don't go to the Official Nightwish board because I tried to read some comments there and it just made me sick to see how many blinded followers "perfect" Anette and Tuomas "the God" have, and how Tarja "the Diva" was not such a good singer as Anette is...
Now it is interesting to hear that there are people whose criticism is accepted there, but I still don't have the courage to read that forum, I know it's going to piss me off.

Kiri wrote on 02.11.2009 at 11:01
"And I know that there outside this thread others who been Tarja Haters..but in this moment here, I talk to the people in THIS thread..is this so hard to understand??? "

It is SO not double-standart thing, lol. Like "I use only some comments only in some particular place to redeem my position". There is a whole picture actually.

"because here are too many brainless people who only needs to offend others to make their own day!!! "

Now that is SO totally not childish thing to say to others ;)

Orion wrote on 03.11.2009 at 00:34
Kiri: The moderators in the official Tarja forum (English division) actually claim that there is a directive from Marcelo to suppress criticism of NW just to not give outsiders the impression that this was Tarja's opinion (even if Tarja's own opinion of NW is obviously low as she has hinted repeatedly!), which doesn't make sense at all as the moderator of the German division is in much closer contact to Tarja and Marcelo (as she organises the official fanclubs) and she doesn't suppress, censor or taboo any subjects in the German division, and doesn't mock, insult, threaten or ban anyone who says anything bad about NW. In fact there are people in the German division whose mockery of NW is so nasty and vulgar that it even makes people like me uncomfortable! I really don't think we should stoop to NW's level!

Now, funny enough, the most active moderator in Tarja's forum, the one people have had so many bad experiences with, goes by the nickname Orion, too ... but since this one is highly critical of NW, he (or she) can't be the same person :O

Almagest wrote on 03.11.2009 at 06:33
@Almagest

I didn't know they claim that. Thank you!

I thought Sylvera is the most close to Tarja and Marcelo... I don't know why I had this impression, but I still have it. And I noticed that she is the one who suppresses and bans the most.

Kiri wrote on 03.11.2009 at 09:33
He claimed that lately, after I was banned. I couldn't believe it. It's so ridiculous.

Really? I never see Sylvera around much. But I visit the NW thread only irregularly.

Almagest wrote on 03.11.2009 at 22:19
@Almagest

I'm a male and nope, I'm not that other "Orion" who seems very stupid after what I've learned here. You was banned from English NW thread or from entire forum? That's idiotic, also thoseclaims are, did somebody tell him he was acting like a jerk?

Orion wrote on 04.11.2009 at 00:53
You made me curious and now I had a look on the english NW forum, too. And I was surprised in a positive way: even though there are some stupid fangirls/fanboys who still worship everything that's coming from Maestro and Co there were some good posts who were also critical about some things he said and did. I didn't expect that; some NNW fans really deserve some respect. I can't even say that they are less fair than some Tarja fans are in the german nightwish-thread of Tarja's forum (it's really sad what's going on there lately, I hope it won't stay this way).

Still, the admins react in the same way they do on the english Tarja forum when it comes to Nightwish: "That's off topic. Another comment about Tarja in this thread and you're banned". Great.

@Orion: Yes, some people told him. But he said that that's off topic and he'd delete every post that is about Almagest's ban.
Personally, I don't even write in the English thread because of him ( and some others don't, too).

@Almagest: When did Tarja hint she didn't think too much of NNW? I only know that interview where she refused to say her opinion of Anette's singing, and that she said she wouldn't return to NW. Was there something else?

Earwen wrote on 04.11.2009 at 19:42
@Earwen
Really? Then that "Orion" is a moron really. What was his reasons to ban? Being himself a drooling NW fanboy?

Orion wrote on 04.11.2009 at 20:42
Orion: I would express it like that, yes. He's REALLY protective of them. Well, I was the one who started to mock him back, and tell him that he acted like a jerk and called him "pussy" after he threatened to ban me. Everything he's done after that only confirms it. I'm banned from the whole forum, I can't even read in the forum with the IP I have when I use this connection, but I can read there when I go into "private browsing" mode (which is quite impractical, however). At least, the ban is going to expire soon.

Earwen: I'm not happy with what is going on on the German Tarja forum, either. Now THAT is going too far. "Nebelnettie" is alright, it's mocking but not insulting, "Fatty Nettie" is already too much for me, and worse stuff is simply over the top and a disgrace to Tarja fans. Rational criticism and sarcasm can be scathing enough.

But Orion must be pretty desperate when he deletes all postings critical of himself.

Almagest wrote on 05.11.2009 at 04:26
Oh, and I'd like to point out that the ban extends to the liberal, German and Portuguese parts of the forums, too. So if you insult NW in the German part, no problem, just don't say anything in the English part. *rollseyes*

Almagest wrote on 05.11.2009 at 04:29
Earwen: There are several hints in her blog, and in interviews, especially when she emphasised how much better she felt on this tour. One of the most discussed instances was when she wrote something like "no more ass-faces around", which seemed to refer to the NW guys being shit-faced (drunk) and totally disinterested in her and her needs all the time. Another instance was in an interview where she was asked about (I think) Anette and burst into laughter, pounding the table, and said something like "No! I won't comment on that subject! I'm the last person!"

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